Leica M11 issue: lock exposure for multiple image in aperture priority

[lct]

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We are not forced to use our M11 the same way as our M4 half a century ago are we. At least i am not fortunately because my favorite exposure mode is auto iso in M mode nowadays. Works fine with rangefinders too .  

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[insomnia]

It's one of the typical forum situations. Someone has an issue and a few guys hijack the thread with a "solution" which completely misses the point (going manual, really?! - it's a bug, and manual just isn't a solution for working fast).

Good thing it got sorted out.

By the way, I had a similar issue with the Q2 and continuous shooting - only the first frame was exposed as I had metered, the following ones re-metered and exposure was different (as the frame had changed since my metering). That was annoying as hell, but I didn't wait to see if it got fixed in a firmware update.

[jcm0]

On 7/20/2022 at 1:53 AM, jaapv said:

My manual mode consists of one action: adjust the aperture ring and the shutter speed dial simultaneously whilst watching the little triangles in the viewfinder. Far more convenient than farting around with adjustments to automatic modes and nearly instantaneous . I wonder what your six steps and three wheels are. 

Sorry @jaapv, I see why my post was confusing : I mostly shoot setting aperture + using A mode (with adjustment) + Auto Iso (with 1/f max speed). For me, for the use case we speek about, I need to go to M-ISO, set ISO, adjust manually speed, which require the 6 steps I've listed in my first post. If you're already shooting in M mode, you're right, it is as simple as you've described it.  So my proposal is just for peoples who doesn't use M mode.

Some prefer M mode, some prefer A mode, the camera has been designed to be used in both modes 🙂

I see that I should have started a new thread to speak about this firmware change proposal. I've confused the thread. Sorry about that.

Edited July 21, 2022 by jcm0

[lct]

59 minutes ago, jcm0 said:

Sorry @jaapv, I see why my post was confusing : I mostly shoot setting aperture + using A mode (with adjustment) + Auto Iso (with 1/f max speed). For me, for the use case we speek about, I need to go to M-ISO, set ISO, adjust manually speed, which require the 6 steps I've listed in my first post. If you're already shooting in M mode, you're right, it is as simple as you've described it.  So my proposal is just for peoples who doesn't use M mode.

Not sure to follow you. My usual exposure mode in auto iso in M mode. Same as yours apparently. When i want to revert to manual mode iI only do 2 steps:  Set iso and shutter speeds by the dials. Nothing else. Am i missing something?

[jaapv]

On 7/20/2022 at 12:58 PM, insomnia said:

going manual, really?! - it's a bug, and manual just isn't a solution for working fast).

Actually, I find it as fast as A. The same with focus - I like to do wildlife and manual is by far the fastest way to get precise focus (with properly designed lenses, of course.) 

[insomnia]

I trust you find this for your application, but please don't project this onto others

[Photoworks]

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17 hours ago, lct said:

Not sure to follow you. My usual exposure mode in auto iso in M mode. Same as yours apparently. When i want to revert to manual mode iI only do 2 steps:  Set iso and shutter speeds by the dials. Nothing else. Am i missing something?

since the aperture can not go in auto, you are correct, iso and time set.

 

17 hours ago, lct said:

My usual exposure mode in auto iso in M mode.

Is there a name for that?  Aperture+Shutter priority  

[lct]

53 minutes ago, Photoworks said:

Is there a name for that?

"Auto iso M mode", "Auto iso in manual mode", "Manual mode with auto iso", etc. The way i use it, isos are auto, apertures are manual and shutter speeds are either auto or manual.

[SrMi]

9 minutes ago, lct said:

"Auto iso M mode", "Auto iso in manual mode", "Manual mode with auto iso", etc. The way i use it, isos are auto, apertures are manual and shutter speeds are either auto or manual.

Rico Pfirstinger (Fuji) has been using the term mISOmatic. I like it.

[jcm0]

23 hours ago, lct said:

Not sure to follow you. My usual exposure mode in auto iso in M mode. Same as yours apparently. When i want to revert to manual mode iI only do 2 steps:  Set iso and shutter speeds by the dials. Nothing else. Am i missing something?

@lct you're perfectly right. But setting ISO through the ISO speed dial is quite difficult (rising the iso speed dial is tricky for me) , and approximate (you cannot choose between EV value). A  AE lock button would avoid that 🙂

[lct]

1 hour ago, jcm0 said:

@lct you're perfectly right. But setting ISO through the ISO speed dial is quite difficult (rising the iso speed dial is tricky for me) , and approximate (you cannot choose between EV value). A  AE lock button would avoid that 🙂

I only reacted to your 6 steps for manual mode but i keep interested in your idea if long press is compatible with short press on the same button.

[insomnia]

The SL2-S has a similar flaw, it works for single images but not for continuous shooting. It will just re-expose to the new frame after the first image is taken. If no one has a great idea on how to solve it (I've opened a thread) I'll report it as a bug. It should behave like the M10.

[hdmesa]

2 hours ago, insomnia said:

The SL2-S has a similar flaw, it works for single images but not for continuous shooting. It will just re-expose to the new frame after the first image is taken. If no one has a great idea on how to solve it (I've opened a thread) I'll report it as a bug. It should behave like the M10.

Don't most pro cameras have the ability to couple or uncouple exposure lock from a shutter half press? I don't have the SL2-S any longer to check, but I could do this on my R5. Sometimes you need the metering to follow the action, sometimes you don't.

[insomnia]

I’ve looked into it but couldn’t assign AE-L to any button. There is a function on the joystick, but it’s not working with my manual lenses, it will always magnify for focusing no matter what I assign to it. Thank you!

[jcm0]

Hi Insomnia. That is normal. I've propose in this forum the idea to use the center of the 4 way pad to add a AE-L function. But activating AE-L cannot be mapped to a button on the M11 for now. You need to keep the shutter release button half pressed to keep the exposure.

Edited July 27, 2022 by jcm0