LEICA Visoflex 2, What do you think?

[digitalfx]

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1 minute ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I I guess I should rephrase my question: how easy is it for a left-eye shooter to use the OVF without banging their forehead on the EVF? It looks like a close encounter.

None...your nose protrudes farther than your eyes or glasses. You would have to smash your nose against the LCD to touch the EVF

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[Photoworks]

In plastic the EVF would be lighter, the M10 Visioflex was probably plastic for the GPS..

there is no GPS on this one.

+ you can actually see the shutter speed selected on the top.

this one can easily sit on top of the camera if you are using it or not. could not say that for the old one.

[Tailwagger]

While its definitely an upgrade, I'd say that as was the case with the M10/020 combination that the quality of the new viso is far behind that of the camera it's attached to. One inexcusable omission at this price level is the lack of a zero marker for the diopter.  I do prefer the design and it presents less of problem in terms of going in and out of the bag. So I'd say its okay, but at this price level, I can't get very excited about it, particularly with the loss of the GPS as well. 

[UliWer]

17 minutes ago, Tailwagger said:

at this price level

Of course you are right.

Though have you ever seen the price tag of a poor optical viewfinder made by Leica?

[digitalfx]

 

20 minutes ago, Tailwagger said:

While its definitely an upgrade, I'd say that as was the case with the M10/020 combination that the quality of the new viso is far behind that of the camera it's attached to. One inexcusable omission at this price level is the lack of a zero marker for the diopter.  I do prefer the design and it presents less of problem in terms of going in and out of the bag. So I'd say its okay, but at this price level, I can't get very excited about it, particularly with the loss of the GPS as well. 

The zero indicator is really a non issue...adjust the dial to sharpest click and forget about it. What is the advantage of a scale, except for this initial setting? Even then Its so much easier just to dial in your setting, than looking at a scale on the side.

GPS will be available via the app in next update, I guess we will have to wait to see how much of a pain that is, but it makes a lot more sense to have the GPS in your pocket vs the EVF which is likely not always on the camera anyway. 

[cboy]

Meh. Could of been better design wise. I was hoping for a more unibody design which compliments the design of the M. Guess now people just need to live with.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but the viso 2 is one fugly thing attached on a beautiful M body.😂

I didn't think I'd say it but I'd prefer the design of the 020...

 

[Tailwagger]

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10 minutes ago, digitalfx said:

The zero indicator is really a non issue...

Not to me for several reasons. 

13 minutes ago, digitalfx said:

GPS will be available via the app in next update, I guess we will have to wait to see how much of a pain that is, but it makes a lot more sense to have the GPS in your pocket vs the EVF which is likely not always on the camera anyway

I could care less about the GPS itself; I never used it with the M10s anyway as the battery life was bad enough to begin with. I just find it annoying that the pricing level has gone up, yet the GPS disappeared... presumably dropping the design and manufacturing cost... and the EVF is by no means of high enough specification to compensate.  I have no problem paying a premium for the M11 as it is unique, but given I could just about buy a GRIII for the same money as the V2, for what it delivers, I can only rate it okay. 

[ZHNL]

I wish it support aftermarket EVF cover to block sun ray and create extra space between eye and screen. It need clean constantly I feel. 

[tsleica]

Those magnets..

Arent going to be too good..

For your Rolex or Patek..wristwatches..

Even a Seiko..lol..

[SrMi]

26 minutes ago, Tailwagger said:

Not to me for several reasons. 

Care to elaborate? I adjust it only once for my eyesight, regardless of where the zero is.

[Tailwagger]

8 minutes ago, SrMi said:

Care to elaborate? I adjust it only once for my eyesight, regardless of where the zero is.

First, there are occasions where I use the camera without glasses. That means setting and reseting back to ~0.  Without a mark I actually have to think about it as there's no easy way to do this rapidly in either direction. I could drop a dot of paint or two of course, but... hack.  The other issue is that I'm not the only one to use the camera from time to time.  On occasion SWMBO or the boy decides to monkey with it without my knowledge and so it winds up being slightly out. I then find myself annoyed about just why the hell I can't seem to nail focus on something and then at some point I realize, ah the camera was out on rental again. Much more easily detected when I notice that the diopter has been moved, something I was in the habit of doing with the 020 as it was easily bumped going in and out of the bag anyway... thankfully at least inadvertent moving of the setting is less of an issue with the new unit.  Regardless, with the indent on the 020, this was more easily seen, checked and just set back to my known location rather than having to go through the process over again.

Finally, I just want to know. Vision changes over time. It's nice to have a gauge as to which direction and by how much. It would have cost almost nothing to have an indent, it's just a sloppy for a premium brand that prides itself on precision not to have included it. So yeah, its no big deal if you set it and forget it, but thats not the only use case.  

[SrMi]

17 minutes ago, Tailwagger said:

First, there are occasions where I use the camera without glasses. That means setting and reseting back to ~0.  Without a mark I actually have to think about it as there's no easy way to do this rapidly in either direction. I could drop a dot of paint or two of course, but... hack.  The other issue is that I'm not the only one to use the camera from time to time.  On occasion SWMBO or the boy decides to monkey with it without my knowledge and so it winds up being slightly out. I then find myself annoyed about just why the hell I can't seem to nail focus on something and then at some point I realize, ah the camera was out on rental again. Much more easily detected when I notice that the diopter has been moved, something I was in the habit of doing with the 020 as it was easily bumped going in and out of the bag anyway... thankfully at least inadvertent moving of the setting is less of an issue with the new unit.  Regardless, with the indent on the 020, this was more easily seen, checked and just set back to my known location rather than having to go through the process over again.

Finally, I just want to know. Vision changes over time. It's nice to have a gauge as to which direction and by how much. It would have cost almost nothing to have an indent, it's just a sloppy for a premium brand that prides itself on precision not to have included it. So yeah, its no big deal if you set it and forget it, but thats not the only use case.  

Thanks for explaining. The solution is simple: a dozen Visoflex-s, each tuned and labeled for certain application ;-).

[Tailwagger]

Just now, SrMi said:

Thanks for explaining. The solution is simple: a dozen Visoflex-s, each tuned and labeled for certain application ;-).

Of course. And thanks for taking pity on a tired old man with a fixed income in his twilight years.  Should I expect a check or are you just planning on buying a few and shipping them to me? 😃

[FlashGordonPhotography]

It's likely not the resolution. The X1D, XT-4 and Z7 have this resolutiona and are perfectly fine. It's likely the processor is being pushed, poor optics in front of the panel or really sloopy code. Also, do you know if Leica is using 100% enlagement at maximum resolution. They may be going to 2 or 400% which will make the image appear soft.

I don't have mine yet. With the 020 I only use the lower magnifications for this reason.

Gordon

[digitalfx]

2 minutes ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

It's likely not the resolution. The X1D, XT-4 and Z7 have this resolutiona and are perfectly fine. It's likely the processor is being pushed, poor optics in front of the panel or really sloopy code. Also, do you know if Leica is using 100% enlagement at maximum resolution. They may be going to 2 or 400% which will make the image appear soft.

I don't have mine yet. With the 020 I only use the lower magnifications for this reason.

Gordon

I hope so, that means there is hope to improve it. But I would assume its more likely due to the sensor resolution, which is more than double the EVF resolution, so its not possible to do a 1:1 view. Which would also explain why we only have one setting for focus assist zoom, where the M240 had two zoom options.

[erudolph]

Are there not 2 different magnifications?  When focus aid zoom is active, rotate custom wheel through them.

[Tailwagger]

12 minutes ago, erudolph said:

Are there not 2 different magnifications?  When focus aid zoom is active, rotate custom wheel through them.

Yep, just rotate the wheel after the camera detects you are trying to focus. I believe 5x and 10x as before. 

Edited January 28, 2022 by Tailwagger

[digitalfx]

37 minutes ago, erudolph said:

Are there not 2 different magnifications?  When focus aid zoom is active, rotate custom wheel through them.

Ahhh...couldnt find it in manual Thanks

Ill need to check again in daylight, but it appears that 10X is actually sharper for same reason.

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[orcinus]

Great, now i need to preorder one.

My last excuses not to were clearance with the glasses on and potential eye relief / eyebox problems.

Edited January 28, 2022 by orcinus

[WvE]

The 020 looks better in my opinion, this new one is too bulky. Leica should have added a flippy screen, much more efficient and useful.