Sigma 150-600 dg dn f5-6.3 [merged]

[erudolph]

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17 hours ago, Boojay said:

Couple more, light was poor so ISO 6400, SL2 and was testing the 150-600 + 1.4 TC

 

 

How did you find the 1.4 TC performed.

[jaapv]

3 hours ago, Jeff S said:

Sex transcends languages, provided the person gets the hint.

Jeff

Debatable - if you are a Bush person. (I never understood what the fun was getting prickly plants in your underwear)

[Jeff S]

Well, at least others seemed amused by my post #109 double entendre.

Seems this pic might better be suited here…

 

Jeff

[jaapv]

2 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

Well, at least others seemed amused by my post #109 double entendre.

Seems this pic might better be suited here…

We Dutchmen are a dour and literally minded bunch... 

Jeff

 

[Jeff S]

“We Dutchmen are a dour and literally minded bunch... “

I know better from past exchanges.  You laughed the hardest when I joked years ago about the 3 little old ladies at Solms massaging lenses back and forth (to which I remarked that surely helped make them stand out).

Guess you take your African ventures more seriously than your photography (or missed the joke).

Jeff

[jaapv]

22 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

Guess you take your African ventures more seriously than your photography

In my mind the two are linked  

[Jeff S]

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The saying ‘a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush’ takes on another meaning in this context (call it a double, double entendre). 😉

Jeff

[Boojay]

1 hour ago, erudolph said:

18 hours ago, Boojay said:

Couple more, light was poor so ISO 6400, SL2 and was testing the 150-600 + 1.4 TC

 

 

How did you find the 1.4 TC performed.

Not used the TC enough on this lens to really draw any conclusions yet, but it doesn't seem to slow AF at all, and in good light  little impact on IQ, but early days.  In the few images captured I (think) I can see some slight benefit to stopping down to f/10.   I'm not sure how much use it will get in my hands but to have 840mm on the SL2 at f/9 is something I want to test. 

 

 

[caissa]

If you compare AF speed of this lens on the CL and the SL2, are they about the same or is the CL faster focusing ?    Second question: Does it make a difference (in speed) if you switch on the SL2 into the APS-C mode ?

If there is no difference then I would rather not switch to apsc but simply use cropping afterwards. Ok, what is visible in the finder is also different (enlarged 1.5 times), but not clear how much of an advantage this is.

Probably for Boojay or Jaap or anyone who owns both cameras.

 

Maybe a last question, on the SL2 is both IBIS and OS automatically used all the time or is it possible to select only one (e.g. OS) ? Or is the default to have only OS active. Would the S1R be different in this regard ? (I assume, not). Or maybe the fp L ? (No, the fp L has no IBIS)

Edited September 8, 2021 by caissa

[Boojay]

9 hours ago, caissa said:

If you compare AF speed of this lens on the CL and the SL2, are they about the same or is the CL faster focusing ?    Second question: Does it make a difference (in speed) if you switch on the SL2 into the APS-C mode ?

If there is no difference then I would rather not switch to apsc but simply use cropping afterwards. Ok, what is visible in the finder is also different (enlarged 1.5 times), but not clear how much of an advantage this is.

Probably for Boojay or Jaap or anyone who owns both cameras.

 

Maybe a last question, on the SL2 is both IBIS and OS automatically used all the time or is it possible to select only one (e.g. OS) ? Or is the default to have only OS active. Would the S1R be different in this regard ? (I assume, not). Or maybe the fp L ? (No, the fp L has no IBIS)

No perceivable difference in speed of focus acquisition between CL and SL2 noticed so far, and I am not a user of APS-C mode on the SL2 (always preferring to crop in post) some feel it's a benefit for finer focussing,  but can't imagine that would make a difference speed wise, others may offer a different view.  Using the focus limiter on the lens does make a difference. 

Both IBIS and OS are active on the SL2 with the lens mounted, you can of course switch off OS on the lens,  then switch IBIS off in the menu should you wish.  I can't comment on whether this is different on the S1R.

This lens has only been around a short time, lots still to find out about it.  Only thing for sure is it has no competition in L mount😁.

 

 

[jaapv]

On the CL AF-C works considerably better than it did on the 100-400. The same for tracking focus - with the 150-600 it is usable (on AFC obviously) on the 100-400 not.

[sillbeers15]

20 hours ago, caissa said:

If you compare AF speed of this lens on the CL and the SL2, are they about the same or is the CL faster focusing ?    Second question: Does it make a difference (in speed) if you switch on the SL2 into the APS-C mode ?

If there is no difference then I would rather not switch to apsc but simply use cropping afterwards. Ok, what is visible in the finder is also different (enlarged 1.5 times), but not clear how much of an advantage this is.

Probably for Boojay or Jaap or anyone who owns both cameras.

 

Maybe a last question, on the SL2 is both IBIS and OS automatically used all the time or is it possible to select only one (e.g. OS) ? Or is the default to have only OS active. Would the S1R be different in this regard ? (I assume, not). Or maybe the fp L ? (No, the fp L has no IBIS)

I do not own or use the CL. But I do use APSC mode on my SL2 for chasing after fast moving & far out subjects. So I will attempt answering your question in the second part.

Unlike using the CL (which has a APSC sized sensor), the SL2 retains the full frame image data even when you select APSC mode. You will notice it when you edit photos set on APSC mode that you can retrive the full frame when you select the 'crop image' button in LR. 

I use APSC mode extensively on chasing after BIF for the following advantage and reasons:

1   When APSC mode is selected on the SL2, you still get 20Mpx of resolution and not loose any light as the aperture opening remains the same unlike using a teleconverter that reduces max aperture (but you get full 47Mpx resolution);

2   The AF is much more reliable when the 225 AF points over an enlarged image of subject. Very often the AFC does not lock focus when subject is too small. I often start capturing flying subjects as it approaches towards me before capturing it in the ideal size (unlike panning shot where subject is consistent in size when viewed);

3   As the tracking of fast moving subject if often tricky on continuous frames to keep subject within frame on subsequent frames. I found in mutiple times that the subject partially falls out of frame (in some of the frames on continuous shooting) in APSC mode while that could be salvageable so long as it is still within the full frame when processing in LR.

[HPFM]

Very interesting discussion!!! I switched last year from Nikon to Leica (SL2, SL2S, M...)- not completely.... Still have a D5 and 500/5.6 pf for Bif / wildlife / action because...

• Leica CAF and framerate are much worse than Nikon
• No lens for Bif / wildlife....

Lens is now available (the nice Sigma 150-600)...only one point remains: CAF/Framerate. I am not amused to own two different systems and would prefer to switch to Leica completely. Just tried the APSC-mode suggested by "sillbeers15" with a Sigma 100-400 and i am quite happy :-)) Not the same as a Nikon D5 but "able to work with".... 

I think, i will leave Nikon within the next few weeks...

Frank

[jaapv]

I never use bursts for wildlife. The decisive moment is sure to fall between two shots. 😟🥸

[caissa]

Snapchick has also some fine examples taken with this lens.  

 

Edited September 12, 2021 by caissa

[Ktsa5239]

After using this lens side by side with the 90-280 extensively for the past week, I think the sharpness is absolutely incredible, the OS works so well. I do seem to find the bokeh and drop off nicer on the 90-280 especially in some situations more than others. However, that reach is so nice and not needing to crop as well is a plus. The aperture is smaller which makes afternoon birding difficult. I think for more controlled or familiar spots, I would prefer the 90-280 because I know I could get closer, otherwise the 150-600 wins because of the reach. 

[jaapv]

7 hours ago, Ktsa5239 said:

I do seem to find the bokeh and drop off nicer on the 90-280 especially in some situations more than others

Well, theremust be some reason for the price difference   In general, bokeh quality is often one of the weaker points of long telezooms, especially double contours in busy backgrounds. The. 150-600 is certainly not bad in this respect, but what I. see from the 90-280 is clearly smoother. I think that the best in this respect is the Vario-Elmar R 105-280. 

[caissa]

More with “these lenses” (SLR version).  

And he still has to work with classic shutter, while we can now make use of fully electronic shutter. (But his AF is probably better, maybe Leica improves it this year ? Or better switch to S1R ?)

Edited September 13, 2021 by caissa

[jaapv]

The SLR lenses are a different design form the Sports series, so this review has only very limited relevance.

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[mschuette]

I received my copy last week. As a professional wildlife-photographer I usually use a Canon R5 with Canon EF600/4. For all other work I use my beloved Leica SL2-S. I was out in the wild with the new Sigma quite a lot over the last few days but not lucky enough to capture a lot of game. Here is on of my first pictures, a red deer in Denmark.

My first impression: very well build, lightweight and compact, but not as sharp as I thought it would be. 

I have to do further testing before giving a final conclusion. I will post more picture over the next few weeks.

Leica SL2-S, 600mm, 1/125, f6.3, ISO 400, OIS, handheld, edited with LR.

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Edited September 17, 2021 by mschuette