I ordered the m10-r black paint

[ianman]

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1 hour ago, zupfgeiger said:

HCB's very own camera

I wonder why his rangefinder adjustement screw is brassed. Did HCB have a loose screw?

Edited July 27, 2021 by ianman

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5 hours ago, 250swb said:

I guess mine is similar

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Made in 2002 with Leica using the delicate 'black lacquer' tree sap finish. It's never had a half case or anything and it's been bumped and knocked but not abused. There is some scuffing where the strap rubs which doesn't show in the photo. I can't remember where any of the scratches came from (so no fond memories of use), but I suspect are from stuffing it into my Hadley Pro with lenses and other cameras.

 

Wot - no brassing on top edge of base-plate!

[250swb]

2 hours ago, ianman said:

I wonder why his rangefinder adjustement screw is brassed. Did HCB have a loose screw?

I think Lenny Kravitz's screw is bigger than HCB's.

[250swb]

4 hours ago, zupfgeiger said:

It's more the violin makers who do this - treating their new instruments in a way that they look like 300 years old Stradivaris. Old violins sell much better then new ones. But sanding a digital Leica M to make it look like HCB's very own camera is a ridiculous fake. 

But it can be the same for Fender Custom Shop Relic guitars, where Fender use better wood than their mainstream production guitars, far more attention to detail, each really is hand made, and some say the authentic paint finish also adds to the sound if a period sound is what you want. But the Custom Shop guitars can also play better than an off the shelf guitar whatever the specification is. In a string quartet playing baroque music nowadays the performance also means the vibe, and period instruments are often unavailable or too valuable for gigging. Now if relicing a camera or buying a Kravitz edition made it make photos like HCB then there would be every reason to do it.

Edited July 27, 2021 by 250swb

[jdlaing]

Better wood? From better trees?

[ianman]

1 hour ago, jdlaing said:

Better wood? From better trees?

Wood differs in quality even with the same species of tree. Trees are living things and are as different to each other as any other living thing. We look all the same to them.

[ianman]

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1 hour ago, 250swb said:

I think Lenny Kravitz's screw is bigger than HCB's.

I couldn’t possibly comment about that. But it does make me wonder if we aren’t all very lucky that Jimi Hendrix one day reached for a Strat rather than a Leica. Would he have used it upside down? 🤔

[NigelG]

5 minutes ago, ianman said:

I couldn’t possibly comment about that. But it does make me wonder if we aren’t all very lucky that Jimi Hendrix one day reached for a Strat rather than a Leica. Would he have used it upside down? 🤔

No but he might have shot it with his teeth...

[Jeff S]

19 minutes ago, ianman said:

Wood differs in quality even with the same species of tree. Trees are living things and are as different to each other as any other living thing. We look all the same to them.

And different types of wood are specified for different guitar types and brands, and quality guitars use different wood types for different parts of the same guitar…for sound, for durability, etc.  Some wood species are extinct, making replica sounds difficult or impossible. 

Jeff 

[Stephen.s1]

To answer Steven's question: buy a new base plate and stop that foolishness.  You're a young guy and have a good 40-50 years to let a camera brass naturally.

[Kenny]

I was not going to order the M10-r as I am really happy with my m10-p. When I saw the m10–r black paint I fell in love again.

I previously owned a M6 black paint which I kinda regret trading. My M10-r black paint is arriving tomorrow and I am so happy!

.

[250swb]

10 hours ago, jdlaing said:

Better wood? From better trees?

Grain, no knots in it, colour, density, the tone it produces. There'll be better quality wood in the same tree, there'll be better quality tree's in the same forest depending on the growing conditions. But how to equate this with something you have in Texas as you don't have any trees. OK, there are cows and then there are better cows, and if you want to reskin your banjo go for a cow with a better hide.

[zupfgeiger]

2 hours ago, 250swb said:

Grain, no knots in it, colour, density, the tone it produces. There'll be better quality wood in the same tree, there'll be better quality tree's in the same forest depending on the growing conditions. But how to equate this with something you have in Texas as you don't have any trees. OK, there are cows and then there are better cows, and if you want to reskin your banjo go for a cow with a better hide.

I play classical guitar and own two luthier build instruments with precious tonewoods. Top notch tonewood is very rare. For example one out of 100 spruce trees has the quality needed for performance level instruments like violins or guitars. The best trees come from the higher altitude of the European Alps regions. Old Stradivari picked his spruce from Val di Fiemme/Italy. That's why Val di Fiemme is heavily over exploited today as generations of violin makers insisted on 'Strad wood'. And even harder to get hold of is exotic wood for back & sides. One set of old Brasilian rosewood with spectacular appearance and  fitted with proper CITES documentation can cost 2000 to 3000 Euro. Only the set, not the guitar. So playing good guitars und shooting with Leica equipment is an expensive mix of hobbies.🙂

[i-Leica]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb Steven:

You think I plan to use my M10R for 40 years? My MPs, sure, but my M10R will be lucky if it makes it a year. 

maybe would the two years period better?.... just thinking of warranty.

[jdlaing]

7 hours ago, 250swb said:

Grain, no knots in it, colour, density, the tone it produces. There'll be better quality wood in the same tree, there'll be better quality tree's in the same forest depending on the growing conditions. But how to equate this with something you have in Texas as you don't have any trees. OK, there are cows and then there are better cows, and if you want to reskin your banjo go for a cow with a better hide.

You are very misinformed about the trees here. This is not England. And there is no better or worse wood in any same tree. Only different.

[IkarusJohn]

13 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

You are very misinformed about the trees here. This is not England. And there is no better or worse wood in any same tree. Only different.

Well, there is “different” wood in any given tree - wood with knots, heartwood and sapwood, and then there is the wood that isn’t used at all.

You are right that there is different wood in any given tree, but there certainly is “better or worse wood”, depending on which bit of the usable log is cut, and how.  This is reflected in the price.  A lot of “wood” is not used at all - the waste in most milling, from the entire tonnage of the “tree” is surprising.  In any given log, the outer layer (inside the bark) is “sapwood”, and tends to be wet and softer than the inner heartwood layers, the cambium.  These are usually darker.  The outer sapwood is also where the knots are found.  The transition from cambium to sapwood is often the best, whereas in many older trees the centre section of the heartwood is often decayed, and not so good at all.

So, I’m not so sure you are right, though clearly there is a lot more to it than your statement.

[Flu]

49 minutes ago, Al Brown said:

How about a kinsugi (the ancient Japanese art of repairing pottery with gold) recreated Leica M3 from JCH? Do you find it ugly or not? (Still: Instagram)

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Very nice! 
check out this fully brass edition. Wish I had known about it. 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/leicarumors.com/2019/09/28/new-leica-m10-p-sc-asset-limited-edition-brass-camera.aspx/amp/

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8 minutes ago, Flu said:

Very nice! 
check out this fully brass edition. Wish I had known about it. 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/leicarumors.com/2019/09/28/new-leica-m10-p-sc-asset-limited-edition-brass-camera.aspx/amp/

Wouldn’t we then have been having a conversation about what black paint was best to cover up all that brass?

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[Tp2000]

3 hours ago, jdlaing said:

You are very misinformed about the trees here. This is not England. And there is no better or worse wood in any same tree. Only different.

As a cricket enthusiast and a lover of acoustic guitars, I feel compelled to provide a little nuance to this. 
 

Willow for cricket bats. Willow is broadly willow, but the characteristics of grain width change the bat. Similarly consistency of grain. So even in the same tree, there are variances and then from tree to tree, obviously other differences. But as you say, willow is willow and for 99% of cases, no one is the wiser.

Same applies for guitars. For the most part, spruce is spruce. But altitude changes characteristics so too does consistency of pattern in the wood. The resonance will change even  through the same tree. So choosing tone woods is an art and why folks like George Lowden (Lowden guitars) put such focus on choosing right tonewood combinations and the right pieces of wood within the same batch. That’s why Martin, Taylor, Lowden etc all have different series bodies….quality of tonewoods. 
 

In fairness in both examples I’m talking top end examples, but there’s a lot more to it than meets the eye. 
 

Anyway, that’s my horticultural intervention done for the day…..getting back on topic, I do have the BP M10 and won’t be going near it with sandpaper. If it wears it wears, if not, then a useful reminder I’m not using it enough!

[Herr Barnack]

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If it wears it wears, if not, then a useful reminder I’m not using it enough!

That might have been the intent behind Leica coming up with the black paint finish.

Edited July 28, 2021 by Herr Barnack