GFX100S vs SL2/X1D

[SrMi]

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2 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

Is the 45p fly by wire? It's the only lens I don't have (I have the original). I thought it was mechanical or at least linear.

The rest are, of course fbw, and I agree with you.

Gordon

45p has a mechanically coupled focus ring. It is very nice for manual focusing.

[setuporg]

Thinking about Hassy vs Fuji MF made me pick up my X1Dii again and walk around with the 30, 45P, 35-75 and 80.  The 45P makes it a really small MF package.  The zoom is a perfect range.  Looks like GFX lenses on average are larger than the XCD ones.  The reviews still show a rather huge beast.  So in the end, one can have a walkaround kit that's smaller with the XCD lenses.  Looks like GFX flange distance is 9mm more than XCD so this will always be the case.  Perhaps GFX lenses could be even used on the future X3D with a fast e-shutter!:)

Edited April 5, 2021 by setuporg

[Alistairm]

There is no doubt the XCD lenses are smaller. Add the lens hoods they're much bigger. It all adds up of course, especially if you're travelling light. 

For those interested, the Really Right Stuff plates for the GFX100S are now available for pre-order. 

[FlashGordonPhotography]

2 hours ago, setuporg said:

Thinking about Hassy vs Fuji MF made me pick up my X1Dii again and walk around with the 30, 45P, 35-75 and 80.  The 45P makes it a really small MF package.  The zoom is a perfect range.  Looks like GFX lenses on average are larger than the XCD ones.  The reviews still show a rather huge beast.  So in the end, one can have a walkaround kit that's smaller with the XCD lenses.  Looks like GFX flange distance is 9mm more than XCD so this will always be the case.  Perhaps GFX lenses could be even used on the future X3D with a fast e-shutter!:)

Got to think how spoiled we are when we think the GFX100S is big!

Great time to be a photographer.

Gordon

[setuporg]

19 minutes ago, Alistairm said:

Add the lens hoods

I never travel with the hoods...

[aksclix]

3 minutes ago, setuporg said:

I never travel with the hoods...

It’s so big, hood travel with that.. 😜

[setuporg]

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1 minute ago, aksclix said:

It’s so big, hood travel with that.. 😜

In Soviet Russia, the hood travels with you!

[aksclix]

xcd system maintains the true mirrorless standards I guess.. the whole system packs small

Some gfx lenses are bulky 

[setuporg]

I haven't realized that previous GFXs had an interchangeable EVF.  WTF do you have to choose refresh rate vs resolution in an already meager 3.6MP max EVF?!  Even if one were to try a GFX, I guess a reasonable approach is to wait until the EVF is replaceable or at least decent.

Edited April 5, 2021 by setuporg

[aksclix]

5 minutes ago, setuporg said:

I haven't realized that previous GFXs had an interchangeable EVF.  WTF do you have to choose refresh rate vs resolution in an already meager 3.6MP max EVF?!  Even if one were to try a GFX, I guess a reasonable approach is to wait until the EVF is replaceable or at least decent.

Gfx 100 had a 5.6m dot evf. 50s and 100 both had removable evf. 100s doesn’t and I can clearly see the difference as I had a 100 before 

There is no reasonable approach.. there is only personal choice 😌 and I don’t have to make that cuz I have all three 😁

[Succisa75]

34 minutes ago, setuporg said:

I haven't realized that previous GFXs had an interchangeable EVF.  WTF do you have to choose refresh rate vs resolution in an already meager 3.6MP max EVF?!  Even if one were to try a GFX, I guess a reasonable approach is to wait until the EVF is replaceable or at least decent.

I’ve put it next to a A7RIV and S1R side by side and I couldn’t tell the difference in terms of EVF quality.  In fact it’s better than the A7RIV and that’s a 5.76 EVF. Refresh rate is selectable like the A1. Sometimes you don’t need a high refresh rate and other times you do. This also help allocate power when you need it.  

Numbers are one thing, using it is a different story. 

[chrismuc]

6 hours ago, setuporg said:

I haven't realized that previous GFXs had an interchangeable EVF.  WTF do you have to choose refresh rate vs resolution in an already meager 3.6MP max EVF?!  Even if one were to try a GFX, I guess a reasonable approach is to wait until the EVF is replaceable or at least decent.

1. The 3.6MP EVF is 'at least decent', it is actually absolutely fine (in contrast to the M EVF ...).

2. The refresh rate is selectable because one might prefer maximum resolution at lower refresh rate for f.e. nature and architecture but one might prefer the highest possible refresh rate (which compromises resolution due to sensor read out limit) for portrait or sport.

[setuporg]

Yeah I believe the EVF is sufficient to use the MF cameras but even the SL2 one is not on par with an OVF.  That's what keeps me using the OVF MF setups with the S line and the 907x + Hasselblad 503cw.  Alas they are not as portable...

[setuporg]

Another important feature that came into the foreground at a hike along the Pacific ocean yesterday: infinity focus.  The XCD lenses have a fly by wire focus where you are never sure it's on infinity.  You have to always check.  The AF starts out by rocking it back and forth (davening?:).  How does the GFX100S handle infinity?

It all made me cherish the S lenses even more, with their true distance scales.

Some interesting finds on focusing Fujis:

https://diglloyd.com/blog/2019/20190723_2110-ReaderComment-Fujifilm-focusing.html

https://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/manually-focusing-the-fujifilm-gfx-50s/

 

Edited April 5, 2021 by setuporg

[FlashGordonPhotography]

1 hour ago, setuporg said:

Another important feature that came into the foreground at a hike along the Pacific ocean yesterday: infinity focus.  The XCD lenses have a fly by wire focus where you are never sure it's on infinity.  You have to always check.  The AF starts out by rocking it back and forth (davening?:).  How does the GFX100S handle infinity?

It all made me cherish the S lenses even more, with their true distance scales.

Some interesting finds on focusing Fujis:

https://diglloyd.com/blog/2019/20190723_2110-ReaderComment-Fujifilm-focusing.html

https://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/manually-focusing-the-fujifilm-gfx-50s/

 

I've done a bit of astro on the X1D and 21mm. Not had an issue. On my 21mm you can *feel* the end stop even though the collar keeps rotating. And of course, I'd never use AF so there's no issues there. Also the EVF works quite well magnified and finding focus on stars. The 21mm is spectacular for astro with little to no coma and combines well with the best long exposure camera there is.

X1D, 21mm

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Gordon

Edited April 5, 2021 by FlashGordonPhotography
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[meerec]

1 hour ago, setuporg said:

The XCD lenses have a fly by wire focus where you are never sure it's on infinity.  You have to always check.  The AF starts out by rocking it back and forth (davening?:).  How does the GFX100S handle infinity?

I haven’t tried it in anger but the latest firmware offers the distance scale view in the back LCD. Would work for manual focus to infinity?

[setuporg]

9 minutes ago, meerec said:

distance scale view in the back LCD. Would work for manual focus to infinity?

Can you see if dialing in infinity makes puts the infinity in focus?  Also, how does the GFX100S does AF -- does it always move the lens, even if it were focused on infinity and you point at the infinity again?  The S does not move if the focus didn't change.

[meerec]

4 hours ago, setuporg said:

Can you see if dialing in infinity makes puts the infinity in focus?  Also, how does the GFX100S does AF -- does it always move the lens, even if it were focused on infinity and you point at the infinity again?  The S does not move if the focus didn't change.

I was referring to my Hasselblad 907X back LCD – not a display on the GFX ... not clear if you interpreted it correctly. Here’s the focussing scale I mentioned available whether you shoot with AF or MF. 
 

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Edited April 6, 2021 by meerec

[setuporg]

Ah yes I got this on the X1Dii as well.  It's interesting that focusing on things very far away and just far away seems to put them in focus separately while the triangle ends up pointing at the infinity.

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[chrismuc]

47 minutes ago, setuporg said:

 

My experience with the GFX 100 focusing on far away objects (100-200m) - especially with longer lenses 150-300mm, at larger apertures (eg. 200f2.8 at open aperture) - is: one has to catch the focus point VERY precisely, otherwise with 100 MP/ 3.8 um pixel width, one does not achieve critical sharpness. For that purpose need precise, trustful AF (GFX is good in that respect) or manually with enlargement and/or contrast edge indication. Focusing at infinity or using the scale won’t be sufficient to achieve a really sharp image. 

Edited April 6, 2021 by chrismuc