Peters Posted October 21, 2020 Share #21 Posted October 21, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) SL2 body design 24MP sensor Longer burst rates Better battery life Better ISO performance (relatively clean at 12,800) USD 3999 or less Perhaps a little lighter I'M IN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 21, 2020 Posted October 21, 2020 Hi Peters, Take a look here SL2-S. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
SrMi Posted October 21, 2020 Share #22 Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Slender said: <snip> What about an APS-C SL for a nimble, powerfull successor to the CL? A CL with IBIS :)? Edited October 21, 2020 by SrMi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share #23 Posted October 21, 2020 5 hours ago, hamey said: Personally I would be very interested in a all manual focus version of the SL2 system. As I have few R and M lenses as well as Zeiss Milvas ZF lenses that I could use on it, not interested in the SL AF lenses. Of course it must be optimised for MF shooting, this could very well get me back into the Leica system. So why spend heeps of dollars on a camera's auto focus system that I will never use, just good MF confirmation is all I need. So Leica if you want more of my money give me that requirement Dreaming.. Isn’t that the M10-R ? AF tech is essentially free. Just a bunch of algorithms. Don’t use AF lens and voilà. NB : video capabilities are also free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 21, 2020 Share #24 Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) I would have purchased a 24MP SL2 as my entry to the system, but have no interest now after using the SL2. Likewise, the original M Monochrom covers my digital monochrome camera requirements. But if rumors (and Nicci’s guesses) are accurate, I hope Leica finds many buyers. Jeff Edited October 21, 2020 by Jeff S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 21, 2020 Share #25 Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) All totally speculative........... - The M10 received a major upgrade and extra letter (M10R) well before a M11 was expected. - Leica seems to keep its body renumbering for bodies with significant dimensional/shape/control changes, not internal changes (so we got a SL2, but not a M11). - Variants launched with a new letter part way through a model run are upgrades, not simplified versions, which are kept for previous version production line run offs (M-E). So a SL2-S should be a significant upgrade to the SL2 in the same body shape. If 'R' stands for Resolution and 'M' for Monochrom (and 'E' for Economy???), what might 'S' stand for? In English or German? Edited October 21, 2020 by LocalHero1953 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted October 21, 2020 Share #26 Posted October 21, 2020 4 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: what might 'S' stand for? In English or German? stealth... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted October 21, 2020 Share #27 Posted October 21, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, helged said: stealth... Subpar 🤭 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyros Moutsouris Posted October 22, 2020 Share #28 Posted October 22, 2020 3 hours ago, meerec said: Subpar 🤭 Sonder... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lids Posted October 22, 2020 Share #29 Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: ....what might 'S' stand for? In English or German? Maybe the S stands for stabilized. I'd love for it to be "small" as mentioned above, but if they changed the size to be more compact I'd think it would become a new model. Edited October 22, 2020 by Lids Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share #30 Posted October 22, 2020 It has to be in german. Leica always use German for its naming scheme. It is M = Messersucher (Rangefinder) Monochrom (Monochrome) S may stand for Schnell (Quick, Fast) It is certainly not small. Because small in German is klein 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tritentrue Posted October 22, 2020 Share #31 Posted October 22, 2020 24 minutes ago, nicci78 said: It has to be in german. Leica always use German for its naming scheme. 🤔 From Wikipedia: "The R4S (S stood for Simplified) and the R4SP (SP stood for Simplifed Professional) were simplified versions of the R4." 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted October 22, 2020 Share #32 Posted October 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, nicci78 said: It has to be in german. Leica always use German for its naming scheme. It is M = Messersucher (Rangefinder) Monochrom (Monochrome) S may stand for Schnell (Quick, Fast) It is certainly not small. Because small in German is klein Good point: SL is a short name for Spiegellos (I believe), meaning mirrorless. If so, it would be somewhat strange to mix Spiegellos with an English worded add-on. On the other hand, isn't the R in M10-R an aberration for resolution? If so, this is an example for a mix of German (Spiegellos) and English (resolution). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share #33 Posted October 22, 2020 What we know so far ? Leica and Panasonic are partenering for years to bring full frame mirrorless to market. Leica Q were the first test drive : build by Leica with extensive use of Panasonic technologies. Leica SL were the second test : build by Leica with the most advance tech from Panasonic : like DFD AF algorithms. With all that knowledge, they officially formed the L-mount alliance with Sigma. Stephan Daniel said in an interview that this alliance will also permit them to buy certain key parts with Panasonic. Just to make economy of scale. That’s why we got 2 completely different body : SL2 and S1/S1R. But sharing some parts : EVF, sensor, IBIS, DFD AF tech, etc... So it is quite logical for Leica to use the 24MP sensor of S1-S1H-S5 for its SL2-S 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted October 22, 2020 Share #34 Posted October 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Kyros Moutsouris said: Sonder... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Spezial🤪 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted October 22, 2020 Share #35 Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, nicci78 said: What we know so far ? Leica and Panasonic are partenering for years to bring full frame mirrorless to market. Leica Q were the first test drive : build by Leica with extensive use of Panasonic technologies. Leica SL were the second test : build by Leica with the most advance tech from Panasonic : like DFD AF algorithms. With all that knowledge, they officially formed the L-mount alliance with Sigma. Stephan Daniel said in an interview that this alliance will also permit them to buy certain key parts with Panasonic. Just to make economy of scale. That’s why we got 2 completely different body : SL2 and S1/S1R. But sharing some parts : EVF, sensor, IBIS, DFD AF tech, etc... So it is quite logical for Leica to use the 24MP sensor of S1-S1H-S5 for its SL2-S So S for schnell (fast), possibly? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted October 22, 2020 Share #36 Posted October 22, 2020 For sure S stands for Sexy 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Puccio Posted October 22, 2020 Share #37 Posted October 22, 2020 Bare with me here as I’ve only started recently looking at digital Leicas. Panasonic S1 -> Leica SL Panasonic S1R -> Leica SL2 Panasonic S5 -> Leica SL2-S? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 22, 2020 Share #38 Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Simone_DF said: For sure S stands for Sexy I'll go with that, in the absence of any better suggestion. It accords with my wishes anyway. Edited October 22, 2020 by LocalHero1953 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedro Posted October 22, 2020 Share #39 Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, LocalHero1953 said: I'll go with that, in the absence of any better suggestion. It accords with my wishes anyway. +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share #40 Posted October 22, 2020 49 minutes ago, Brian Puccio said: Bare with me here as I’ve only started recently looking at digital Leicas. Panasonic S1 -> Leica SL Panasonic S1R -> Leica SL2 Panasonic S5 -> Leica SL2-S? SL2 is not a clone of S1R. They are different camera. However they share : same sensor, albeit a thinner sensor stack filter for the Leica. same 3.2" screen (but fixed for the Leica) same same OLED EVF 5 millions dots. same IBIS The rest is different : Maestro III SOC for Leica vs Venus engine for the lumix Completely different body Different battery DNG for Leica vs RWL for Panasonic 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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