"Vader" Certainly Isn't Any Prettier

[Chaemono]

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vor 2 Stunden schrieb nicci78:

Parisian Leica stores employees are invited to test the SL2 the 9th of October. 
 

It should not be the public presentation date. 
I think that it will be a long wait until the SL2 release date

Relief. Jono must have given his thumbs-up. 😀

Edit - I forgot to add, let’s hope the French count all the MPx this time. 😂

Edited September 30, 2019 by Chaemono

[Tailwagger]

9 hours ago, thighslapper said:

I've also pondered on the increasingly marginal benefits of changing to MF ..... with the X1D being the main target......

.... but I keep coming back to the fact that it means a complete change of ecosystems and loss of useful zoom lenses.

..... plus having the CL as a compact body with a pile of TL and SL lenses I can use interchangeably does make me hesitate. 

An S1R gets me halfway from SL to X1D in terms of image quality and is a much more flexible body than either in terms of usage. 'Big and buttons' hasn't been an issue. 

The loss alone in selling up would buy me an SL2 and a couple of new SL primes, so I will stick with what I have for now, thanks. 

Totally understandable and IMO, the correct decision.  The absolute list of pros and cons can be detailed across these systems, but the weighting of importance of each is quite different if you're already invested in the L-A system as opposed to moving to it for the first time. In my case, I own no L-Glass  (except in the sense of SL  M-glass compatibility) so the calculation as to which way to go was made with no dogs in the fight, so to speak.

[hexx]

What I find quite interesting, is the set of initial interviews with, now gone, CEO of Hasselblad about the original X1D and the target audience. He said it’d be photographers/customers who have H system and would like something smaller and Leica users exploring larger than FF format and looking for the same build and optical qualities they would expect from Leica. 

[FlashGordonPhotography]

13 hours ago, thighslapper said:

I've also pondered on the increasingly marginal benefits of changing to MF ..... with the X1D being the main target......

.... but I keep coming back to the fact that it means a complete change of ecosystems and loss of useful zoom lenses.

..... plus having the CL as a compact body with a pile of TL and SL lenses I can use interchangeably does make me hesitate. 

An S1R gets me halfway from SL to X1D in terms of image quality and is a much more flexible body than either in terms of usage. 'Big and buttons' hasn't been an issue. 

The loss alone in selling up would buy me an SL2 and a couple of new SL primes, so I will stick with what I have for now, thanks. 

A bit more than half way. Plus it's AF is quicker and better in low light and you can turn off LENR. The X1D lenses are fantastic however not better than the SL ones. It'll be interesting to see how the X1D zoom goes.

Gordon

[Mr.Q]

Hmm, I like my 80/1.9 better than the 75 SL that I sold. And my 21 and 30 are better than any of the M wides, that's for sure.

[Chaemono]

The 90/3.2 is more like the 75 Summicron-SL and I’d say the SL lens is optically better. The 80/1.9, however, looks like a stunner. This lens alone may be a reason to get the X1D. Personally, I’m better off with the SL and the M10. I’m itching to compare the SL2 with the 75 and the 35 SL Summicrons to the X1D with the 90/3.2 and the 45/3.5. I’ve played around with these two XCD lenses and IMO they are no match for the SL Summicrons wide open. 

[Fedro]

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you are probably right .. especially about the 45, which is amazing in terms of IQ given weight and size but overall probably a little softer wide open

the stunners, IMO are the 21, 30, 65, 80 and 135

the X1D and SL lenses are roughly same level from what I see but have not tested and testing on different cameras/formats/sensors would probably not be very easy anyways

[Mr.Q]

Yeah, the 45 and 90 are the cheapest of the bunch, and optically towards the bottom as well, though still good considering their size/weight.

[nicci78]

I got fed up to wait unicorn SL2. I think that the Sigma fp may be released before. And I might be tempted. 

Sigma fp + 45mm f/2.8 DG DN contemporary are quite a nice package at 637g. No EVF, I know, but smaller than the CL. And certainly way cheaper than CL. 

fp 24MP full frame sensor can be awesome, with its heatsink. No more overheating. It can help to reduce noise in photo mode too. 

If price is right, I can live without EVF. Just like a glorified m4/3 Olympus Pen. 

It will be a real Still/Movie hybrid camera. Hopefully Sigma and Panasonic do not snob people who wants to make a little video on the side. 

The only question is how well the Sigma 45mm hold up against APO-SL 50 ?

 

[Chaemono]

The low-light performance of that Sigma fp sensor is so good, that this camera with the 18/2.8 TL would be a great pocketable choice for taking along in the evenings. Flip screen for selfies would have been nice.

[Tailwagger]

Had somewhat discounted that option, due to the lack of a VF.  Having done a stint with the original Ricoh GR a while back... a camera I loved, but dumped due to the lack of EVF,  I know I need a viewfinder of some sort. For those that can live without an EVF, it certainly is worth a look.  Choice is good. 

[BernardC]

On 9/29/2019 at 7:14 PM, FlashGordonPhotography said:

if you have SL2 money to spend the other option is probably the X1D2

I don't get it, they are such dissimilar cameras. Why not add an Arca Swiss F-line and a new lawn tractor to the comparison?

Spending money won't help if you don't know what you want.

[Jeff S]

1 hour ago, BernardC said:

I don't get it, they are such dissimilar cameras. Why not add an Arca Swiss F-line and a new lawn tractor to the comparison?

Spending money won't help if you don't know what you want.

I have clear needs and preferences for a different type of system to complement my M system, and these two are certainly in the mix. Different approaches, with pros and cons, but each provide weather sealing, a lens line that attracts (including zoom), a simple control interface and great ergonomics (not sure yet on SL2 vs SL).  Having tested both first generation cameras, print quality presented no concerns within my workflow.  I do, however, still need to bond with the viewing system as a top priority for any choice, so that remains to seen, which is why the S007 could serve as an alternative with its beautiful OVF.

Every person is different, but I'm not driven by GAS, with money burning a whole in my pocket.  No camera is perfect, but I believe  in making an informed decision.  In the meantime, I’m enjoying the gear I have and use frequently.

Jeff

[Tailwagger]

1 hour ago, BernardC said:

I don't get it, they are such dissimilar cameras.

The question then becomes, who be the bigger fools, them that does git it or them that don't. Given I think I does, I'll let you know when I figure out I doesn't. 😀

[Chaemono]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb BernardC:

Spending money won't help if you don't know what you want.

I know exactly what I want, an SL2 with a 48ish MPx sensor. 😁

[Mr.Q]

7 hours ago, BernardC said:

I don't get it, they are such dissimilar cameras. Why not add an Arca Swiss F-line and a new lawn tractor to the comparison?

Spending money won't help if you don't know what you want.

They may be dissimilar to you, but there's a reason why the thread below is the 2nd longest thread in this forum, after the Image Thread. 

The X1D is a valid comparison for folks that value simplicity, great haptics, and first-rate IQ. It's diminutive size for a MF system also appeals to current M users that are cross-shopping.

For folks that prioritize features and versatility, the Panasonic/Sony/Nikon alternatives may be a better comparison.
 

 

[Chaemono]

I remember this thread well. It cost me the equivalent of a lens in rental fees only to find out that there was a typo in the specs. Hasselblad inadvertently stated the capture rate as 3 fps when they really meant 1/3 fps. Hasselblad saved on native English proofreaders it seems. 😂 

[Chaemono]

Lucky Dan Cook, a former SL user and zealous poster on this forum who switched to the α9 a couple of years ago. He doesn’t have to worry about the number of pixels in the next iteration of his camera. Sony just keeps putting the same  old 24 MPx sensor in their new bodies. 😁

[BernardC]

He doesn't have to worry about a new shape, or many new features either. Could it be that Sony has learned from Leica (and Canon/Nikon of course)?

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[Joakim]

2 hours ago, Chaemono said:

Lucky Dan Cook, a former SL user and zealous poster on this forum who switched to the α9 a couple of years ago. He doesn’t have to worry about the number of pixels in the next iteration of his camera. Sony just keeps putting the same  old 24 MPx sensor in their new bodies. 😁

You mean like Leica does with their M bodies? 😀