Giguchan Posted April 23, 2019 Share #301 Posted April 23, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 9 hours ago, T25UFO said: Pre-ordered my Q2 on February 4th from Red Dot Cameras (UK). Paid a deposit on March 7th and received the camera two weeks later. Now just waiting for the Leica Thumbs Up and a new half case from Arte di Mano. Sounds like you're doing it the way i am... i haven't placed any orders yet though.. I think i saw the Thumbs up available at B&H.. and the case i believe started production. check their videos on YT... very impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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T25UFO Posted April 23, 2019 Share #302 Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Giguchan said: Sounds like you're doing it the way i am... i haven't placed any orders yet though.. I think i saw the Thumbs up available at B&H.. and the case i believe started production. check their videos on YT... very impressive. Reading back through this thread most of the criticism of supply seems to be from the USA, where I guess there is higher demand. Maybe Leica doesn't match demand with supply! The rumours of a Q2 started early and by the time I ordered the spec was pretty much known, with maybe just the final price unknown. For me, there was no downside in pre-ordering, no actual commitment and no deposit taken until the official announcement. I part-exchanged my original Q and also decided to sell my SL and 75mm lens. I had thought about buying the SL 35mm instead of the Q2, but size and weight considerations were the deciding factor. It was the right decision for my type of photography, plus purchasing the Q2 left me with a nice positive bank balance 🙂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilefrey Posted April 23, 2019 Share #303 Posted April 23, 2019 I just canceled my order with B&H. The “that’s just the way it is with Leica” argument doesn’t sit well with me. You owe it to your distributors to communicate realistic expectations on delivery dates. I am not suggesting they should have enough stock for everyone day one. Just communicate! I find it hard to believe they can’t anticipate manufacturing/shipping timelines, evaluate demands, and communicate realistic estimates (down to the week would be great for most of us)...especially for such an expensive camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nariza7 Posted April 23, 2019 Share #304 Posted April 23, 2019 If Leica isn't informing retailers any information with ship dates, I can't fault those retailers (like Bhphoto, adorama, etc.). I think some retailers have asked Leica for some information, but maybe Leica really can't release any estimates due to uncertainty. If they release any estimates, people will hold it as truth, and if those estimates are not met, some might get angrier. Like with all new toys/equipment, I get frustrated with waiting until it gets into my hands, so I would probably get frustrated with any false hope that doesn't come through. I'm kind of glad the way it is now without an estimated date since i'm not super focused on waiting for a specific date and finding each day going by so slow. Each day is still slow, but not as bad as if i had a date in mind to wait for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted April 23, 2019 Share #305 Posted April 23, 2019 This thread mirrors a thread when the Q was new. As a bit of history I ordered my Q from B&H in June of 2015. It didn't arrive at my house until Nov 2015. Perhaps things have changed. Perhaps not. All I can suggest to those who are waiting for their Q2 is patience. The Q was worth the wait. I assume the Q2 is equally worthy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giguchan Posted April 24, 2019 Share #306 Posted April 24, 2019 15 hours ago, T25UFO said: Reading back through this thread most of the criticism of supply seems to be from the USA, where I guess there is higher demand. Maybe Leica doesn't match demand with supply! The rumours of a Q2 started early and by the time I ordered the spec was pretty much known, with maybe just the final price unknown. For me, there was no downside in pre-ordering, no actual commitment and no deposit taken until the official announcement. I part-exchanged my original Q and also decided to sell my SL and 75mm lens. I had thought about buying the SL 35mm instead of the Q2, but size and weight considerations were the deciding factor. It was the right decision for my type of photography, plus purchasing the Q2 left me with a nice positive bank balance 🙂 That could be the issue... I agree with you... time to gather all the accessories for the day when you get the call. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giguchan Posted April 24, 2019 Share #307 Posted April 24, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Agreed.... Tell ya what.. if everyone keeps cancelling their order.. it will put others higher on the list... Won't be surprised if you hear of someone walking in off the street and walking(or running) out with a new Toy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsaly Posted April 24, 2019 Share #308 Posted April 24, 2019 13 hours ago, emilefrey said: I just canceled my order with B&H. The “that’s just the way it is with Leica” argument doesn’t sit well with me. You owe it to your distributors to communicate realistic expectations on delivery dates. I am not suggesting they should have enough stock for everyone day one. Just communicate! I find it hard to believe they can’t anticipate manufacturing/shipping timelines, evaluate demands, and communicate realistic estimates (down to the week would be great for most of us)...especially for such an expensive camera. +1. Leica is not a start up company pushing out their first product. They are an established company who should have a handle on anticipated market demand. Maybe I'm being overly cynical but perhaps they purposely wait to see how many "pre-orders" they received and then start production to fill back orders. That method pretty much ensures they have no excess inventory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toutsuite Posted April 24, 2019 Share #309 Posted April 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Matsaly said: +1. Leica is not a start up company pushing out their first product. They are an established company who should have a handle on anticipated market demand. Maybe I'm being overly cynical but perhaps they purposely wait to see how many "pre-orders" they received and then start production to fill back orders. That method pretty much ensures they have no excess inventory. Alright, let’s try to get back to reality. Leica moved all production of their higher end (AKA non-Panasonic) cameras back to the Wetzlar factory a few years ago. They’re famous for sticking as much as possible to old school methods and eschewing the mass productions of brands like Sony, Nikon, and Canon. I’ve heard there are about 200 people employed at Wetzlar total. I think what’s going on here is Leica has never produced a camera as immediately popular and in-demand as the Q series. Rollouts of the digital M series (in particular the M10) were also frustratingly slow, and there’s no way the preorder numbers for that were on par with a 47MP compact with a built in Summilux and autofocus for $5K. You can argue they should expand their facility and hire more staff, but I would guess they’d argue they don’t run an assembly line and that expanding in any meaningful way would be costly in both time and money. Those techs probably take years to train up. It’s a tough call because there’s never a guarantee the next idea they have will be a hit on this scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted April 24, 2019 Share #310 Posted April 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, toutsuite said: Alright, let’s try to get back to reality. Leica moved all production of their higher end (AKA non-Panasonic) cameras back to the Wetzlar factory a few years ago. How much of the Q2 is made in Wetzlar rather than Portugal and elsewhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave H Posted April 24, 2019 Share #311 Posted April 24, 2019 Although it is frustrating I do feel sorry for the dealers who must be bombarded on a daily basis, I have tried to keep my enquiries to a minimum although it is hard to restrain myself from making that call and I did succumb this morning. The dealer said they have had only one Q2 in this month and no indication when the next shipment is due nor how many to expect when it is despatched. I ordered mine on 11 March so I won't be anywhere near the top of the list and now expecting a long wait, just hope my pocket is fire resistant as the money is burning a hole in it, "good things come to those that wait" or so I keep telling myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBo Posted April 24, 2019 Share #312 Posted April 24, 2019 On 4/16/2019 at 2:18 PM, Matsaly said: FWIW- I'm on the wait list at Leica Soho (NYC) since 3/10. Popped into the store a few days ago after work and inquired about the status of my order. Was informed to "stay in touch with them in mid-May" to 1) keep my place in the queue & 2) possibly have an update on availability. Was told by a store employee that prospective purchasers who walk into the store are currently facing a 3+ month wait. This really strikes me as a bungled introduction of a luxury good. In my case I'm in in no particular rush but I imagine a newbie being totally put off by the lack of availability and jumping ship for another brand. I got on a few waiting lists later in March. I just hope my wife doesn’t change her mind before I get the call! 😳 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdw Posted April 25, 2019 Share #313 Posted April 25, 2019 I feel kind of bad — I've been on the list since before launch and have one just sitting around new in the box. I think I'll sell it - at this point it's not doing me any good. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willteeyang Posted April 25, 2019 Share #314 Posted April 25, 2019 4 hours ago, sdw said: I feel kind of bad — I've been on the list since before launch and have one just sitting around new in the box. I think I'll sell it - at this point it's not doing me any good. Oh my, just saw the latest ebay Sold listing for Q2 is at $7500 USD which sold today. with the rest all between 6250-6800. There are 2 listing right now at 8000 and 8200...at this point i am not sure what i would do if i were you! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/295036-availability-of-the-q2/?do=findComment&comment=3728966'>More sharing options...
Giguchan Posted April 25, 2019 Share #315 Posted April 25, 2019 I'll wait thank you... No inflated prices for me here... Talk it up all you want... to me... it's not worth 1 penny over the regular sticker. I know i am in the minority but thats my feeling. Best of luck with your sale. I'm sure someone will buy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoarFM Posted April 25, 2019 Share #316 Posted April 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Giguchan said: I'll wait thank you... No inflated prices for me here... Talk it up all you want... to me... it's not worth 1 penny over the regular sticker. I know i am in the minority but thats my feeling. Best of luck with your sale. I'm sure someone will buy it. There are two types of people I can’t figure out. Those that would sell at those prices and those that would buy at those prices, but maybe those people deserve each other. Here’s an idea for those that can’t wait. Buy a used Q, easily available at less than $3k. Sell your Q when the Q2 arrives for a few hundred less than you paid for it... I have a Q and I have a Q2 on order. The Q is fantastic—still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giguchan Posted April 25, 2019 Share #317 Posted April 25, 2019 If you search long enough you will find people who have done the very same thing... or even KEEP the Q as a back up! I know i have seen at least 3 posts saying the same thing. whether it's on here or the Red Dot forum or on YT.... some might argue that money you pay for a Q you might as well put towards an inflated Q2.... This will be my first Leica so i am prepared to wait. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted April 25, 2019 Share #318 Posted April 25, 2019 8 hours ago, SoarFM said: There are two types of people I can’t figure out. Those that would sell at those prices and those that would buy at those prices, but maybe those people deserve each other. Here’s an idea for those that can’t wait. Buy a used Q, easily available at less than $3k. Sell your Q when the Q2 arrives for a few hundred less than you paid for it... I have a Q and I have a Q2 on order. The Q is fantastic—still. You can't figure them out... First group is people who bought early, and either saw a money making opportunity early on or later. It's actually kind of smart. They also may have bought a Q2 early... and later realized it was overkill as compered to a Q1. After seeing the Q2 scarcity... they decided to sell. Second group... has money to burn, and don't want to wait. I actually bought a Q2 and paid 5400 delivered. I'm not a fan of overpaying, but I had two trips planned and I wanted the Q2 for them. I debated buying a LNIB Q-P instead, but decided against that plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willteeyang Posted April 26, 2019 Share #319 Posted April 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Donzo98 said: I actually bought a Q2 and paid 5400 delivered. I'm not a fan of overpaying, but I had two trips planned and I wanted the Q2 for them. I debated buying a LNIB Q-P instead, but decided against that plan. 5400 isn't bad at all. Thats pretty much what everyone is paying it for. its MSRP+TAX 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted April 26, 2019 Share #320 Posted April 26, 2019 1 hour ago, willteeyang said: 5400 isn't bad at all. Thats pretty much what everyone is paying it for. its MSRP+TAX Funny... I had not even thought of it that way. It's so rare that I would pay tax on a big camera purchase. I am super happy with the camera. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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