Q2 47 mps, Dirt & Drip proof & new EVF (FWIW!)

[MCJ]

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10 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said:

centimeters!

 You know us Americans are thrown off by the metric system.  

[Stuart Richardson]

Going below 240 is certainly possible. I did prints for a show at the national museum here with the Leica S at 100x150cm, and at that size it is 120dpi. They look great and highly detailed. If you are closer than 50-70cm from the print, you can see a slight lack of detail, but it is not much of an issue. I would even go as far as to say most people print exhibitions at below 250 ppi...you simply can't get big prints from typical digital cameras without uprezzing. A mixture of sharpening subtlety, good technique and proper workflow go a long way. Preserve Details 2.0 in photoshop is the best I have seen so far (I have not found genuine fractals to be very convincing...it seems too artificial to me). Paradoxically, sometimes a standard bicubic will look better as an even smoothness can look better than sharp edges and blurry detail. Some of the keys to printing large is to use a tripod with base ISO, a good lens at optimum aperture, and not to overdo sharpening or luminance noise reduction. 

Anyway, not to derail the thread. Carry on! 

[HighlandK]

This is where derailment has proved more interesting than the original topic. 😉

[M11 for me]

That is a great discussion. Than you.

[nicci78]

So now we will need to carry a heavy sturdy tripod everywhere to take a nice picture with the Q2. 🤔

47MP will require strict shooting discipline to show off their benefits. Not sure if actual Q OIS will be if any help, as Leica advises to turn it off to avoid lack of sharpness. And to only use it for video. 

 

 

[dancook]

6 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

So now we will need to carry a heavy sturdy tripod everywhere to take a nice picture with the Q2. 🤔

47MP will require strict shooting discipline to show off their benefits. Not sure if actual Q OIS will be if any help, as Leica advises to turn it off to avoid lack of sharpness. And to only use it for video. 

 

 

No no, you just continue with the Leica Q.

[Stuart Richardson]

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1 hour ago, nicci78 said:

So now we will need to carry a heavy sturdy tripod everywhere to take a nice picture with the Q2. 🤔

47MP will require strict shooting discipline to show off their benefits. Not sure if actual Q OIS will be if any help, as Leica advises to turn it off to avoid lack of sharpness. And to only use it for video. 

 

 

Not at all. A shutter speed over 1/250th or 1/125th in good conditions is also enough. The tripod stuff is just about maximizing print quality. I would be the first to tell you that the photo comes first. In my most recent book I used everything from 4x5 to the S to my iphone SE shot through a pair of binoculars, handheld without an adapter. Sure, I can print the 4x5 images larger than the phone image, but I could not make the photo I did with the phone with my 4x5. 

One of the best things about working for artists is they are always doing something that you think is technically "wrong". A good artist does it wrong to elevate the work, and a poor artist does it wrong because of a failing of skill or judgment. Figuring out the line between the two is a life's work...and not a bad way to spend a life, actually. 

[HighlandK]

2 hours ago, nicci78 said:

So now we will need to carry a heavy sturdy tripod everywhere to take a nice picture with the Q2. 🤔

47MP will require strict shooting discipline to show off their benefits. Not sure if actual Q OIS will be if any help, as Leica advises to turn it off to avoid lack of sharpness. And to only use it for video. 

That was my first thought given my experience with a Nikon D850 but the Q2 will not have the Nikon (and other DSLRs) issues of mirror slap and FP shutter. As Stuart says just notch up the shutter speed a bit.

[prk60091]

12 hours ago, Alex U. said:

Does somebody know how many MP you need as a minimum to print 1m wide (resp. approx. 37“)?

i have several 36" x 24" prints from my Q hanging and they look marvelous (i think there is room for even larger prints from the Q sensor)

[howiebrou]

Does anyone know if the dimensions of the Q2 are identical to the Q? It would be nice not to have to bin my cover for my Q...

[nicci78]

9 hours ago, HighlandK said:

That was my first thought given my experience with a Nikon D850 but the Q2 will not have the Nikon (and other DSLRs) issues of mirror slap and FP shutter. As Stuart says just notch up the shutter speed a bit.

Of course, we have to raise the speed. But it is a problem actually. You’ll lose constantly one or two stops of ISO. Therefore where’s the benefit of high resolution? You will lose some of those pixels into the noise. 

 

The real benefits will be seen at ISO 100 on a sturdy tripod with shutter triggered remotely or with the self timer. 

 

Print is not the problem by the way. It is high res monitors. Dell already sells huge 8K one, that requires 33MP ! That means 39.3MP in 3:2 cropped into 16:9 ratio. 

Apple will release this year new 31.5” microLED 6K wide / 3K high monitors for Mac Pro and iMac 2019. They will requires 18.8MP in 16/9 mode. That means 25MP in 3:2 cropped into 16/9 ratio. Actual Q will not have enough horizontal pixel to cover it.

 

If you planned to buy these new monitors, you should buy future Q2 or SL2 47MP. They will be just barely sufficient for display. 

Otherwise, if you still use 2K monitor (1080p) or iMac 27” 2.5K or 5K. And you never print A2 or A1 size. Standard 24MP are more than enough.

Edited February 18, 2019 by nicci78

[Mr.Q]

For less than optimal lighting, just downsize your images to 24MP and you'll get the same results. 

There is no scenario where a 47MP sensor would yield worse results than a 24MP sensor.

There are folks on this thread, including myself, shooting with a X1D with much slower lenses handheld.

Hand-holding the Q is a cakewalk.

[nicci78]

Do you think that downsizing a slightly blurry 47MP into 24MP will results into sharp 24MP ?

Or do you think that downsizing noisy 47MP into 24MP will give us clean 24MP ? 

If yes, nice. If not, does it worth the trouble to fill faster my SD cards and hard drives ? 

I am genuinely interested by the answer. 

Edited February 18, 2019 by nicci78

[Mr.Q]

A blurry image would be blurry regardless of resolution.

The new 47MP is likely to offer better ISO performance, most likely by more than a stop, so your argument regarding noise is moot.

Actually, judging by how active you are in this thread, you seem genuinely interested in the Q2. Perhaps you should stop giving yourself excuses and give in to the inevitable purchase 😉

[nicci78]

My comment about noise, was to answer to people saying that it is still ok to shoot 47MP handheld. You just have to shoot with faster speed. So with higher ISO. Therefore more noise. 

 

Or you can choose to shoot at same speed, at the risk of blurry image. In this case 47MP are totally useless  

 

Edited February 18, 2019 by nicci78

[Mr.Q]

15 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

Or you can choose to shoot at same speed, at the risk of blurry image. In this case 47MP are totally useless  

Well if shot at same speed, at the very least you will be getting similar results at 24MP.  If they are both sharp, you'll be getting double the resolution. So there really is no risk.

[SchneiderPetr]

What (other) side effects of the 47mps in combination with e.g. filesize (write speed) or the new EVF are expected?
And how will Leica managed the power consumption, if they don't make big changes on the body and battery pack?

[Mr.Q]

Leica has already done the heavy lifting with the Q's body design, Summilux lens, and the Leica color science.

Technological advancements in 4 years will take care of the rest. In other words, I'm pretty confident in the new generation of Epson EVFs, TowerJazz sensors, and Panasonic processing and power management.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Mr.Q

[nicci78]

Splash proof. So nothing special, not really rain proof. 

Sony OLED EVF. Sadly Epson stopped EVF technologies. Panasonic LCOS tech are really bad, not worth it, high end Lumix use Sony’s OLED. 

SONY is the sole supplier of everybody.

47MP

it should be enough for a Q2. 

Edited February 18, 2019 by nicci78

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[Stuart Richardson]

4 hours ago, nicci78 said:

My comment about noise, was to answer to people saying that it is still ok to shoot 47MP handheld. You just have to shoot with faster speed. So with higher ISO. Therefore more noise. 

 

Or you can choose to shoot at same speed, at the risk of blurry image. In this case 47MP are totally useless  

 

I would rather have the potential for higher image quality than the certainty of not having it. I think you are arguing yourself into a rather strange corner. There are many situations where the extra resolution would be useful. Even if you are solely concerned with sharpness, you do not need to raise the ISO, you can also open the aperture, so instead of f5.6 you shoot at 4 etc. You also get better tonality with more megapixels, more opportunity to crop in better light and so on. 

Regarding the "splash proof" designation, Leica is pretty conservative about this. When the S system was released they said it was weather resistant. When people asked what exactly that meant, Stefan Daniel said it would basically be resistant to conditions barring full on hurricane weather. Living in Iceland, I have put the S through some truly terrible conditions (driving wind and rain, sleet and so on) without so much as a drop ever getting inside the lens mount. I would imagine if they say splash proof you could use it in regular rain without an issue.