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LEICA, we need IBIS !

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If I need IBIS I take another camera that has it; instead of attempting to adapt the tool to the job, I take the tool that is suitable...

Having said that, I do think it would be a useful addition, provided it does not bloat the camera.

 

It would be more useful to request lenses with OIS.

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Yeah the lack of stabilization (among other things like the slow zooms and poor video) is what ultimately held me back from converting from Fuji. Instead I sold the CL. Hopefully we'll get IBIS with the next gen CL.

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I don't see any reason why you don't want IBIS other than the fact that tech is not available to Leica. All long R lenses will benefit. I have been able to shoot 28mm at 1/4 sec, 135 at 1/15 and 180x2 at 1/80 with Sony APS-C (see CL vs A6500 thread).

 

Since backward compatibility is Leica's theme, it makes more sense to have IBIS in body than OIS in lens. Combo is even more welcome. Why not.

 

I will assume that Leica is not anti IBIS.

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Yeah the lack of stabilization (among other things like the slow zooms and poor video) is what ultimately held me back from converting from Fuji. Instead I sold the CL. Hopefully we'll get IBIS with the next gen CL.

Well, IBIS is certainly an argument. 

However, "slow zooms" is not, IMO.

A fast zoom is a bit of a beast, which I will gladly sacrifice on the altar of weight and size (and price). You cannot have it all: compact, light, fast, high image quality, zoom and affordable. I am perfectly happy to have to revert to a prime for a really fast lens. -But Leica needs to offer one.

Poor video, well, it depends. A camera like this, I regard it as a notebook. Leica does so as well, as evidenced by the lack of an external microphone port and HDMI port.

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Only, and strictly only, if it can be done with no increase in size and weight. 

Certainly, and I guess that that is the rub for the CL. IBIS does take space and adds components. However, the SL has no excuse...

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Well, IBIS is certainly an argument.

However, "slow zooms" is not, IMO.

A fast zoom is a bit of a beast, which I will gladly sacrifice on the altar of weight and size (and price). You cannot have it all: compact, light, fast, high image quality, zoom and affordable. I am perfectly happy to have to revert to a prime for a really fast lens. -But Leica needs to offer one.

Poor video, well, it depends. A camera like this, I regard it as a notebook. Leica does so as well, as evidenced by the lack of an external microphone port and HDMI port.

The combination of slow zooms and lack of IBIS is the real issue. Leica gives us neither which greatly handicaps the system's versatily. Alot of us would love to ditch our Fuji/Sony/Canikon gear and consolidate to Leica completely but they keep skimping on key features which is quite frustrating.

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The combination of slow zooms and lack of IBIS is the real issue. Leica gives us neither which greatly handicaps the system's versatily. Alot of us would love to ditch our Fuji/Sony/Canikon gear and consolidate to Leica completely but they keep skimping on key features which is quite frustrating.

That is certainly true, especially over, say, 55 mm. However, I do think it is not skimping but a size/space issue.  I can, at least, understand that -which is not the same thing as liking it

-, as I can understand the constraint on lens speed with the zooms.

That the 55-135 has no O.I.S. is something I cannot understand, though

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I would have thought relatively slow, high quality compact lenses with a marginally bigger body with OIS would be the best compromise for a compact system .... as Olympus has shown. 

 

Leica does appear to be an incremental one step at a time company ..... everything appears eventually ..... it's just slooooowwwwww........ 

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That is certainly true, especially over, say, 55 mm. However, I do think it is not skimping but a size/space issue. I can, at least, understand that -which is not the same thing as liking it

-, as I can understand the constraint on lens speed with the zooms.

That the 55-135 has no O.I.S. is something I cannot understand, though

You're right, some of Leica's decisions are hard to understand. There's not much of a size/weight penalty for integrating IBIS into a APSC sized body as we've seen with the A6000 series. I would have gladly payed another 500 USD for that feature alone. It's 2018 and we have still no option of stabilizing M lenses on a Leica body.

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Well, given that we have had no way of stabilizing M lenses since 1954, I cannot see that as a serious problem. The issue is with the longer zoom lenses.

 

 

It would be great if people would learn to speak for themselves and not presume they have the right to speak for others.

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