Peter H Posted November 13, 2016 Share #281 Posted November 13, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) ................................... I don't think that the labelling of purists or traditionalists vs. techno-beaters is the most successfull business model. No, but we're only using these as convenient short-hand tags to help establish an idea, since we're only guessing anyway! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 13, 2016 Posted November 13, 2016 Hi Peter H, Take a look here New Leica M 240 follow-up in 2017 : The speculations.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Stef63 Posted November 13, 2016 Share #282 Posted November 13, 2016 Thanks Philipp. So, as I said in the M10 thread, it is perhaps more a successor to the M9 than to the current M, which very deliberately was not called the M10. Perhaps falling in line with the many suggestions that there should be two variants to the M line, one nostalgic and one technologically advanced. The WiFi feature as filed to the FCC does not indicate the M10 will be "nostalgic" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted November 13, 2016 Share #283 Posted November 13, 2016 No, that's not what it is. It's a way to enable two parallel M lines. Well, those with a bit of memory, not me really, might recall that several months back there was the rumor about a new M mount CCD-based rangefinder on the horizon. Might this be it? Doubtful, but its fun to speculate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted November 13, 2016 Share #284 Posted November 13, 2016 You folks are serving yourselves up to be disappointed... again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 13, 2016 Share #285 Posted November 13, 2016 I want a CCD with WIFI and double stroke now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted November 13, 2016 Share #286 Posted November 13, 2016 You folks are serving yourselves up to be disappointed... again. We're far too upset about not being famous and revered artistes than we'll ever be by the content of next model, nor the one after that. Disappointment is what keeps us going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share #287 Posted November 15, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, those with a bit of memory, not me really, might recall that several months back there was the rumor about a new M mount CCD-based rangefinder on the horizon. Might this be it? Doubtful, but its fun to speculate. CCD or CMOS, I think Leica will have a sensor about 40 MP if they reason the same way as Erwin Puts does in his latest book on page 362. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted November 15, 2016 Share #288 Posted November 15, 2016 A 40 MP M would be a SL killer. Not going to happend... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 16, 2016 Author Share #289 Posted November 16, 2016 Of course it will and so will the SL 40 MP happen. It's just the way it goes if you want an optimal performance of those great Leica lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted November 16, 2016 Share #290 Posted November 16, 2016 You sincerely don't expect the SL to be replaced by a 40MP SL Mark II already? A new M will be positioned with the current SL in mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdk Posted November 16, 2016 Share #291 Posted November 16, 2016 You sincerely don't expect the SL to be replaced by a 40MP SL Mark II already? A new M will be positioned with the current SL in mind. That would be rather pointless if Leica tops out at 24MP when other camera makers are selling 36-50MP full frame cameras for several years already. As a landscape enthusiast who loves using the M-P and my Nikon D800E, I'd love Leica to produce something that equals the Nikon in resolution. I'd love to see Leica produce some improved 24MP cameras for people who want that, and a high resolution model for landscapists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted November 16, 2016 Share #292 Posted November 16, 2016 One day, the SL will come with higher MP-count. Somerime thereafter, a branch of the M-line will follow. In Leica-land, rule 1 is to use the tools available. Rule 2 is to be patient. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 16, 2016 Share #293 Posted November 16, 2016 Hard to imagine any M with more MP than the SL but i may be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 16, 2016 Share #294 Posted November 16, 2016 Especially as it is not very useful, even counterproductive for a camera with the M concept. The only reason Leica would do so would be for marketing reasons. Normally they are not very receptive for market pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_nyc Posted November 16, 2016 Share #295 Posted November 16, 2016 I am hoping that the new tag for the M10, Type No: 3656, indicates a basis for two models being submitted to FCC. One with a 36MP sensor, and another with a 56MP sensor, (It's the other electronic parts that the FCC is looking at.) whether it's M and M-P, or 2017, and 2118? Look, Hasselblad is getting 50MP into a handheld camera. Why not Leica? I'm also hoping that the sensor is actually factory upgradable; expect a significant profit for Leica, AG. You may have noticed, they can replace sensors. All they have to do is match contacts; mechanical and electronic, and the position relative to the optics is a given. How hard can that be? I don't care about the accessories, better EVF, simultaneous stereo, I just want the sensitivity, sharpness and tonal range to be cutting edge... when I need it... to match lighting conditions and Leica lenses. My M8 still gets as much use as the 240, although thinking of updating to early Monochrom. I don't think the SL has to be a more potent model. When you look at all the M baggage, EVF, microphone, multifunction grip, it's no surprise that some users want the SL and it's automation rolled into one rig. But, look at the size of the new SL 50mm. They're not competing. The selective M baggage is cool for the 1% of the time you want it. If anything, success, and further development of the SL may spell the demise of the S. As a user that bought four of his seven lenses in the early 70s, (no shame, Noctilux) I think Leica has to get back to a formula that treats the body as a lifetime commitment, "no regrets", purchase. Brand new member of the forum here, allow me to gripe. My M8 is in for service; 6 to 8 weeks. You've got to be kidding me?!?!?!? Ahem, professional is not a term to be associated with this gear. Nikon gives my son a loaner (overnight) when his Nikon goes in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 16, 2016 Share #296 Posted November 16, 2016 Welcome, Doug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denys Posted November 16, 2016 Share #297 Posted November 16, 2016 Brand new member of the forum here, allow me to gripe. My M8 is in for service; 6 to 8 weeks. You've got to be kidding me?!?!?!? Ahem, professional is not a term to be associated with this gear. Nikon gives my son a loaner (overnight) when his Nikon goes in. Welcome to our world - and to our forum!To be fair, there are many posts here that report very impressive customer service by Leica: many no-charge repairs and services to cameras out of warranty, not restricted to components that have failed.. We 'put up' with 'it' for a reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_nyc Posted November 16, 2016 Share #298 Posted November 16, 2016 Brand new member of the forum here, allow me to gripe. My M8 is in for service; 6 to 8 weeks. You've got to be kidding me?!?!?!? Ahem, professional is not a term to be associated with this gear. Nikon gives my son a loaner (overnight) when his Nikon goes in. Welcome to our world - and to our forum! To be fair, there are many posts here that report very impressive customer service by Leica: many no-charge repairs and services to cameras out of warranty, not restricted to components that have failed.. We 'put up' with 'it' for a reason. I did not complain about the charge, which was not insignificant. It just seems to me the concept of "customer service" should include "reasonable turn around time". Do we have a shortage of Leica gnomes in America? The camera iss probably open on the bench for a day. Does it cost them more to get it done sooner? Getting behind is one thing, being perpetually behind, is something else. I, like you, have a pretty serious addiction, er, attachment to the kit.... I'm a little cranky these days, for reasons way outside of the scope of this forum. My apologies if I seem disrespectful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 16, 2016 Share #299 Posted November 16, 2016 I am hoping that the new tag for the M10, Type No: 3656, indicates a basis for two models being submitted to FCC. One with a 36MP sensor, and another with a 56MP sensor, (It's the other electronic parts that the FCC is looking at.) whether it's M and M-P, or 2017, and 2118? Look, Hasselblad is getting 50MP into a handheld camera. Why not Leica? Hasselblad is a medium format camera. The problems with high MP sensors handheld have to do with pixel size, not directly with pixel number. A medium format sensor can hold a larger number of pixels as a 24x36 one for a given pixel size. In general the larger the pixel (thus the lower the MP count) the better the image quality will be. So there is an optimum that balances resolution vs. acuity. At the moment that is someplace between 20 and 30 MP for a 24x36 sensor. Possible it will shift upwards in the future as sensor manufacturing technology progresses, maybe with the newest Panasonic technology which allows for larger pixel surfaces. Leica will always go for the optimum result, not for the highest possible resolution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 16, 2016 Share #300 Posted November 16, 2016 Well explained, Jaap. It's a shame not enough people understand that very simple concept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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