krieves Posted May 5, 2015 Share #101 Posted May 5, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) The only thing I'd add is a magnifier for the focus patch. My old 1950's Canon rangefinder has one and it's pretty awesome. It's just a lever the flips an internal magnifier in place when you need it. Brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lik Posted May 5, 2015 Share #102 Posted May 5, 2015 Leicas are meant to be compact and reduced - so a combined RF with EVF would be cool, Leica are meant to be shot without flash - so a leading edge low light performance (A7s) along with the fast Leica lenses would be very intriguing. And to top it off, an in-body stabilisation (à la Olympus IBIS) one should be added. Leicas are meant to be silent: How about adding a electronic shutter? 1. yes - only integrated EVF-technology would be a step forward 2. yes - of course - but not the real reason for a new model 3. yes 4. yes - silent and faster If Leica wants to remain a clever strategies using company - they'll do exactly that! M240 was the next level in many aspects. Nothing should be done without reaching a next level - less than that would not be worth the effort to release a new M. And more pixels would create difficulties for the Leica S with remaining 37,5. So my guess is, we'll not see a 36 pix or so M, before the S-System reaches the level of 50MP plus... I had the Sony A7R - used with very famous high res Leica-lenses - and sold it. More pix in a Leica should be different. There are worse things than waiting another year... Regards lik Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted May 5, 2015 Share #103 Posted May 5, 2015 Ehh, but originally you said : "(Focus Peaking only much better)". Focus peaking is not yes or no, if you look closely it crescendos and decrescendos within a range, leaving the user to judge visually when it's truly at it's peak. And the green-dot focus confirmation in dSLRs remains fully lit even if you play the focus ring back and forth a tiny bit. Personally I have never found either to be anywhere near as consistently trustable as a properly-calibrated rangefinder. And I am quite nearsighted, have astigmatism, wear progressive lenses and keep a +1 diopter on the eyepiece. YMMV of course. My apologies for expressing myself poorly. Focus Peaking is, as you say, not a yes or no focus confirmation technology. I intended to say that whatever aid to focusing was incorporated it needed to be better than focus peaking and give a Yes/No indication. We can tell people until we are blue in the face that ultimately, under specific conditions, a rangefinder is more accurate and in some circumstances faster - but they will not listen. It's that Simon and Garfunkel thing : "Man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest........" As a dedicated RF user for over 50 years - I understand. Have you tried photographing small children with an RF camera? I have and any camera equipped with Autofocus does a much better job. My X1 outperformed the M(Typ240) every time. I have three friends who take wildlife/nature pictures all over the world. They use only Canon equipment and would not contemplate switching off the autofocus. They take some very sharp pictures ranging from minute flowers to polar bears. In my view this is part of Leica's problem. The market demands autofocus - Leica do not produce a top of the range professional FF autofocus camera. The M range is superb but of limited application and used by a limited, but not necessarily diminishing, population. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted May 5, 2015 Share #104 Posted May 5, 2015 I agree that Autofocus has benefits, but everything in life has its upsides and its downsides. A small bird hiding in a tree is hard to get AF to focus on exactly because of the tree, its branches, twigs, etc. To be exact needs manual focus, whether that is via a rangefinder of a manual SLR. I wanted to photograph a babbling stream when I had an AF camera. It was impossible to focus on the exact spot without manual focus. That proved to be beyond the camera's capability. I bought my M240 and it was possible. OK, it cost a lot of money but it was worth it. No, I am not rich but I love art in all its forms and I want to show beauty through photos. I might be crap at it now but hopefully it will improve. All the same if you want a snapshot then use an AF camera. There is nothing wrong with any camera. If you want a photograph or a snap they both have assets. Surely it's up to each individual to decide. Let's face it most people use a mobile phone and that seems to be the trend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted May 5, 2015 Share #105 Posted May 5, 2015 Have you tried photographing small children with an RF camera? I have and any camera equipped with Autofocus does a much better job. My X1 outperformed the M(Typ240) every time. I have three friends who take wildlife/nature pictures all over the world. They use only Canon equipment and would not contemplate switching off the autofocus. Leica do not produce a top of the range professional FF autofocus camera. I have in fact photogrfaphed small children at play, with my Leica RF's for years. I find it works better much of the time than AF for the same reason I find manual focus works better for me with moving wildlife much of the time: Predictive AF seems to be optimized for subjects moving toward or away from the camera (such as in the industries where camera manufacturers targeted it to begin with: sports and fashion. I'm surprised you found the X1's AF useful for anything but static subjects. I found it slow as a drugged slug. And isn't the S system AF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 6, 2015 Share #106 Posted May 6, 2015 Matter of tastes as usual. I use both AF and MF cameras and prefer manual focus generally so i don't miss AF on my Ms at all. What would i do with bigger AF Leica lenses? I would not buy them as i have my Nikons already. An M is an M i.e. a camera with an EVF, or not, with video, or not, but always a small camera with small superb lenses and a rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted May 6, 2015 Share #107 Posted May 6, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Matter of tastes as usual. I use both AF and MF cameras and prefer manual focus generally so i don't miss AF on my Ms at all. What would i do with bigger AF Leica lenses? I would not buy them as i have my Nikons already. An M is an M i.e. a camera with an EVF, or not, with video, or not, but always a small camera with small superb lenses and a rangefinder. … unless it's a 'Mini M' dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted May 6, 2015 Share #108 Posted May 6, 2015 The AF v MF argument is entirely fruitless. The fact is there are plenty of cameras available for people who want auto-focus, but very few indeed for people who want the very best of manual focus, as opposed to the MF switch on an AF system. For people who want MF, it is important that Leica concentrates on giving us the best manual focus system it possibly can. It would be disastrous to those of us in the tiny MF minority to see Leica compromise the manual-focus rangefinder arrangement simply to court those who already have more than enough brilliant auto-focus systems to choose from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunil Posted May 6, 2015 Share #109 Posted May 6, 2015 Autofocus Mirror box micro fourthirds That would be nice (Autofocus) but then what would we do with all our lenses? Also, would it still be a rangefinder? Whatever Leica does, it will be mostly cosmetic for now methinks. Perhaps bigger buffer or higher resolution but what we have seems plenty enough already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted May 6, 2015 Share #110 Posted May 6, 2015 On board camera memory like the T for use without an SD card This does more harm than good. Just include a certified SD card in the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted May 6, 2015 Share #111 Posted May 6, 2015 I wanted to photograph a babbling stream when I had an AF camera. It was impossible to focus on the exact spot without manual focus. That proved to be beyond the camera's capability. I bought my M240 and it was possible. OK, it cost a lot of money but it was worth it. Wow, you bought the M240 just to take that picture of the babbling stream ? Next time, just let me know and I'll tell you how to use Live View on your AF camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share #112 Posted May 6, 2015 That would be nice (Autofocus) but then what would we do with all our lenses? Also, would it still be a rangefinder? Whatever Leica does, it will be mostly cosmetic for now methinks. Perhaps bigger buffer or higher resolution but what we have seems plenty enough already. Irony detector on the blink? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted May 6, 2015 Share #113 Posted May 6, 2015 On board camera memory like the T for use without an SD card This does more harm than good. Just include a certified SD card in the box. Please provide evidence or a citation for this statement ....... Changing SD cards takes time ...... with onboard memory you can keep snapping and then change cards when you get time . ..... plus if you forget a spare card it is a lifesaver. No downsides. Plenty of benefits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted May 6, 2015 Share #114 Posted May 6, 2015 A bit of good banter is OK, jaapv and CheshireCat, we Brits probably invented it. In the late 1960s I bought a Nikon film camera that used MF. Focussing was easy. A few years later Nikon changed to AF but I kept my old gear. When film became overtaken by digital (some may argue it never has) I tried various compact cameras and a bridge camera. The AF bridge camera claimed it allowed MF. I tried MF and it was awful. The bridge camera had a Leica badge. In fact every camera I tried, before I became bored, had AF. Then a few hours research made me look at the M240. Success at last ... no AF. Focussing with a Leica M is not as easy as the old Nikon which used a split ring and a fresnel lens surround. Using an EVF helps although I think it should be fitted as a standard part. If you can focus through the lens then it really makes a difference. The rangefinder works fine where there are still and definite features such as eyes, windows, doors. It is much more difficult to use when trying to photograph flowers like bluebells that are moving in the wind. Anyway, I love the M-P 240 and I can't see that much will improve for some time. We'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted May 6, 2015 Share #115 Posted May 6, 2015 Please provide evidence or a citation for this statement ....... Changing SD cards takes time ...... with onboard memory you can keep snapping and then change cards when you get time . ..... plus if you forget a spare card it is a lifesaver. No downsides. Plenty of benefits. Internal flash memory can fail like any SD card - but not as easily replaced. And it is not really essential as in good old Leica philosophy. But I agree that changing SD cards takes too much time, and indeed I would like a much faster way to change SD card in the next M. I am sure people who use a tripod will agree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted May 6, 2015 Share #116 Posted May 6, 2015 Internal flash memory can fail like any SD card - but not as easily replaced. And it is not really essential as in good old Leica philosophy. But I agree that changing SD cards takes too much time, and indeed I would like a much faster way to change SD card in the next M. I am sure people who use a tripod will agree I have no problems changing my sd card. Just open the little hinged door and pop it in/out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 6, 2015 Share #117 Posted May 6, 2015 I have no problems changing my sd card. Just open the little hinged door and pop it in/out. Hinged door? Do you have a "Luigi" bottom plate or anything else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted May 6, 2015 Share #118 Posted May 6, 2015 Using an EVF helps although I think it should be fitted as a standard part. If you can focus through the lens then it really makes a difference. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. But I agree in this transitional period both should be integrated and high quality (i.e. show us where our money is going !). Leica users have been using two viewfinders forever with wide lenses (the RF to focus, the external finder to frame). If you think about it, the external finder to frame was just like a "through the lens" emulation. Because it is useful to also be able to see what the lens sees. Everyone will be happy with both the RF and the EVF (one next to each other for a quick switch)... but stubborn purists Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted May 7, 2015 Share #119 Posted May 7, 2015 Hinged door? Do you have a "Luigi" bottom plate or anything else? Luigi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted May 7, 2015 Share #120 Posted May 7, 2015 Autofocus Mirror box micro fourthirds Agree with the above, except replace micro fourthirds sensor with an 8x10 inch format sensor, and add pop-up flash. NOW we're gettin' somewhere!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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