drdannn Posted March 29, 2014 Share #241 Posted March 29, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Same here. Used it with my M8.2 and now with my M9 and Monochrom. Also with every DSLR I've owned since 2007. The Auto ISO implementation in the M240 is why I don't own one. I wish I had used my brain and checked out the functions of the 240 before I laid out the cash. My bad. I took it for granted that the function would be there as in the m9. Big mistake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest roey Posted March 29, 2014 Share #242 Posted March 29, 2014 The "A" mode is not in question here. It is the MANUAL mode where Auto ISO works best,i.e. a specific/fixed shutter speed is needed in a condition when light is changing rapidly. I was talking about the A on the ISO dial -- not the shutter speed dial. Anyway, we are saying the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tundraline Posted March 29, 2014 Share #243 Posted March 29, 2014 Reading between the lines of a statement that is clearly speculation without any real information is just bound to create unwarranted rumors. When Leica does not take steps to provide timely and important information to Leica M240 owners about a known problem, then "speculation," warranted and unwarranted, is all we are left with. It has been roughly one year since the M240 was introduced, and still no fix. The e-mail you received from Leica is more encouraging than the one I received. Let's hope yours is correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tundraline Posted March 29, 2014 Share #244 Posted March 29, 2014 Does anyone know if the Leica S2 camera is capable of automatically selecting ISO when a user manually selects both aperture and shutter speed? I believe the M240 has the same processor used in the S2 (the Maestro processor). If the S2 possesses such functionality, it therefore would seem that implementing the same functionality in the M240 would not be too much of a stretch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansmezger Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share #245 Posted March 31, 2014 Just to clarify things up! I have not made up this speculation. Some of you may know me and some not! I'm not that nerdy internet photographer that you are looking for! I will be more than happy to share with you my e-mail exchanges with the Leica officials. Hence it's not ethical! Just had a phone conversation with Mr. Luehring and he accepted the fact that they do not have in house coders to come up with a solution. They are outsourcing everything! And due to to move to Wetzlar things have gotten very slow!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted March 31, 2014 Share #246 Posted March 31, 2014 Don't worry about it. I don't think anybody really expected them to release any more firmware updates any time soon. It only took them half a year to halfway fix auto white balance... Fixing A bug which some consider a feature will probably take at least untill january 2015. That student that codes the M firmware in his spare time is probably just a bit busy nowadays to bother with fixing the flagship model of a expensive camera brand. Poor guy actually managed to code more than one update to the M9. He's probably glad to never have to code for the M9 or MM ever again... (Inhouse firmware coding... Yeah right.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted March 31, 2014 Share #247 Posted March 31, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, I agree. Better settle in with the camera as is because I don't see Leica issuing a firmware update any time soon. I'm fine with the camera, although, as I mentioned I would like the M9 version of auto ISO in my M. Frankly though, Leica is not a "mom and pop" boutique that can't deal with the technology nor marshall the resources to develop (or pay to have FW development outsourced) and issue a firmware update. Things like firmware upgrades are fundamental product support obligations. Even more so on a premium product like the M. The 2+ year delay in fixing the M9 issues, the long lead time with the M white balance fix and this demonstrate Leica's casual attitude toward their customers and customer service. Not normally a sustainable attitude, but ... I must admit, it seems not to affect their sales much. We'll see in the coming years. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted April 2, 2014 Share #248 Posted April 2, 2014 I truly hope they've been rewriting/optimising firmware, and the delay was caused so they could have enough time to revise all the suggestions. Any other explanation would mean their sw team is a big joke or one man occupied with many other tasks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 2, 2014 Share #249 Posted April 2, 2014 ... or too few people are interested in this manual/auto thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted April 2, 2014 Share #250 Posted April 2, 2014 ... or too few people are interested in this manual/auto thing. Perhaps My impression is camera makers strive to add functionality to that which currently exists as they incorporate new technology into their products. Certainly that is the potential customer's expectation. So those who use Auto ISO with manual shutter settings in their M8, M9, Monochrom, and M-E were surprised to learn that function had been removed from the M240. Reasonable people can differ regarding whether the M240 Auto ISO implementation is the "correct" one. Personally I think requiring someone who used a previous generation digital M to manually set ISO when setting a shutter speed when their "old" body could be set up to do that automatically is an unnecessary regression in capability. One that makes the M240 a less capable body for some purposes than its predecessors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted April 2, 2014 Share #251 Posted April 2, 2014 ... or too few people are interested in this manual/auto thing. Understood, but what about changing the Movie button to a Multifunction button? There were many good suggestions in other threads, auto iso was not the only "issue". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 2, 2014 Share #252 Posted April 2, 2014 ...So those who use Auto ISO with manual shutter settings in their M8, M9, Monochrom, and M-E were surprised to learn that function had been removed from the M240... I can understand that and i respect what you say Luke but my first attempt at doing manual/auto iso with my M8.2 was 5 minutes ago and it did not work... Call me a clown as suggested by a kind poster above but it is so easy to set a minimum shutter speed in the auto iso menu of the M240 that it became natural since the very beginning for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 2, 2014 Share #253 Posted April 2, 2014 Understood, but what about changing the Movie button to a Multifunction button? There were many good suggestions in other threads, auto iso was not the only "issue". I can understand that as well but what is an issue for you is not necessarily one for other users. The Movie button is perfectly placed for me so i'm not surprised that Leica don't feel in a hurry to fix what is not broken for everybody. Now i would be glad if you can get what you want provided it doesn't break anything else in the camera but would i bet on that? I'm afraid not sorry... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted April 2, 2014 Share #254 Posted April 2, 2014 I can understand that as well but what is an issue for you is not necessarily one for other users. The Movie button is perfectly placed for me so i'm not surprised that Leica don't feel in a hurry to fix what is not broken for everybody. Now i would be glad if you can get what you want provided it doesn't break anything else in the camera but would i bet on that? I'm afraid not sorry... Took me almost 2 years to discover and adopt Auto ISO with manual exposure on M9, took me even longer to discover Leica system, no one is perfect. I like control provided by manual ISO but Auto ISO provides me with valuable flexibility. Luke is 100% right, it is regression for M typ 240 to miss what older M cameras had, not to mention almost every other modern digital camera, I am one of many to miss it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 2, 2014 Share #255 Posted April 2, 2014 Perhaps My impression is camera makers strive to add functionality to that which currently exists as they incorporate new technology into their products. Certainly that is the potential customer's expectation. So those who use Auto ISO with manual shutter settings in their M8, M9, Monochrom, and M-E were surprised to learn that function had been removed from the M240. Reasonable people can differ regarding whether the M240 Auto ISO implementation is the "correct" one. Personally I think requiring someone who used a previous generation digital M to manually set ISO when setting a shutter speed when their "old" body could be set up to do that automatically is an unnecessary regression in capability. One that makes the M240 a less capable body for some purposes than its predecessors. Indeed reasonable. I found the M Auto-Iso function the first implementation that worked for me - I never used it on the M8 and M9 but I do on the M. But the addition of the EVF makes the original implementation highly desirable for use with long lenses which I use regularly. So please, Leica, do come through with the promised choice….And selectable in the user menu please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 2, 2014 Share #256 Posted April 2, 2014 As far as button functions are concerned, Leica should look at the Olympus EP-5, where I can customise pretty much how every button, lever, roller and control works. It may be a little over complicated but a half way house would be a good solution. That said I have found the ergonomics of the M240 other than EV adjustment, better than I expected. I agree with all Auto ISO on manual speeds would be great - effectively Shutter Priority but altering ISO rather than aperture. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted April 3, 2014 Share #257 Posted April 3, 2014 Waiting for Go(red)dot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 3, 2014 Share #258 Posted April 3, 2014 Waiting for Go(red)dot. It's a bit like that..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted April 6, 2014 Share #259 Posted April 6, 2014 I guess the firmware upgrade is a big thing for Leica. There's even an event scheduled for 24th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted April 9, 2014 Share #260 Posted April 9, 2014 Hmm, I guess this firmware has taken a back seat to other projects at Leica... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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