Woody Campbell Posted March 1, 2007 Share #241 Posted March 1, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I just now downloaded from the German site and installed. This appears to be identical to the 1.09 that was previously on my camera - no change in the lens detection menu item (which still says "Enabled/disabled" and no change in the play display. The update file is exactly the same size as the 1.09 that I installed on Dec 20, 2006 (4,653,086 bites). Is it possible that Leica took 1.91 down from the German site? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted March 1, 2007 Share #242 Posted March 1, 2007 I just now downloaded from the German site and installed. This appears to be identical to the 1.09 that was previously on my camera - no change in the lens detection menu item (which still says "Enabled/disabled" and no change in the play display. The update file is exactly the same size as the 1.09 that I installed on Dec 20, 2006 (4,653,086 bites). Is it possible that Leica took 1.91 down from the German site? Read the thread, Woody, it's a saga Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Campbell Posted March 1, 2007 Share #243 Posted March 1, 2007 Thanks - I get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papimuzo Posted March 1, 2007 Share #244 Posted March 1, 2007 Guy, no need to apologize; thanks again (once more!) for your help and teaching us. Mr. Viau, thanks also to give (at last) some comment related to what this group is finding. You certainly know that some Internet beta-testers groups exist, officially admitted and encouraged by software factory (I'm a member of such group); as said above, betas can bring "fresh eyes" on a product and put their "sticky" fingers where the programmers couldn't even think;) . Anyway, M8 is progressing and this is the best new we could get. All the best to all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted March 1, 2007 Share #245 Posted March 1, 2007 I am having no problems at all with 1.091 and I will keep on with it until I do. I have a little 16mb SD card that came as a "Freebee" with some camera and I will keep 1.09 loaded on it, sitting in my Billingham, in case of a problem on the move. Wilson Genius! Somebody finally found a use for these things, and not a bad one, at that. I was keeping them with my "Free AOL" disks. JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pklein Posted March 1, 2007 Share #246 Posted March 1, 2007 Version 1.091 looks to be an internal, intermediate version of the M8 firmware. Yesterday's brief "sneak preview" is actually a good thing. It gave forum members who know the camera well a chance to be beta testers, which gives Leica a few more pairs of eyes. Also, we now have tangible evidence that work is progressing and bugs are being fixed, even if v. 1.10 did not meet its February deadline. People who are interested in the M8 check this forum for news. The word will spread. So call it a good accident. If Leica didn't do it deliberately, maybe they should have. --Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomi Posted March 1, 2007 Share #247 Posted March 1, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I checked 1.091 at 2500 ISO and I have the impression, that the noise is better. This picture is 1/90 Sec f2.0 28mm. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/17451-firmware-v191-for-m8-available/?do=findComment&comment=187008'>More sharing options...
Guest magyarman Posted March 1, 2007 Share #248 Posted March 1, 2007 How can possibility to be axcident? File of new firmware mabe escape from bureau of firmware departament and fly trough air to bureau of webmeister, jump inside of server and write by itself code so publish on www? What I thing possibility Jenoptik was left 1.091 on some M8 inside Leica factory before divorcement, and someone take smart idea put for short time on www so make thing people Leica got new firmware on plan. I now is sounded like fantasia from novela ora cinema, oba I many time have see communist goverment do like this try to make people belief what is does not reality so I sorry be so much cynicalist:( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirvine Posted March 1, 2007 Share #249 Posted March 1, 2007 I see you've stolen something from the Musee D'Orsay there. Good choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest magyarman Posted March 1, 2007 Share #250 Posted March 1, 2007 I checked 1.091 at 2500 ISO and I have the impression, that the noise is better.This picture is 1/90 Sec f2.0 28mm. I thing is best way to check noise make it langer exposition, mabe 1 sec. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 1, 2007 Share #251 Posted March 1, 2007 Not again Blasko! There are lots of ways that the software being accidentaly put online, it could have been as simple as the web designer misunderstanding a message, to an email not to put it live not getting through to him. To be blunt, shit happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomi Posted March 1, 2007 Share #252 Posted March 1, 2007 I see you've stolen something from the Musee D'Orsay there. Good choice. Impressive. It is really the Musée d'Orsay: Auguste Renoir Dance at Le Moulin de la Galette, Montmartre. I took the picture with my M6. The picture was produced on chemical paper and than glued under vacuum on canvas. After that I painted it with a vernissage and than framed the picture in a frame similar to the original. It is now my original.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted March 1, 2007 Share #253 Posted March 1, 2007 Guy, no need to apologize........ Surely that can't be right. It's all Guy's fault. He should never have messed with the darkness by taking that little screw out of his M8's hot shoe. ................Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 1, 2007 Share #254 Posted March 1, 2007 As long as Leica has permitted a short beta test of their "intermediate stage" new firmware, I see no harm in continuing to see how they are doing, and perhaps some good things can come of it. Guy reported two behaviors that are still hard to reproduce. Carl Bretteville spotted an error in the EXIF output. As long as these are clearly labelled as not a result of product software, and expressed without using extreme and emotional terms, how can it hurt for those who have copies of 1.091 to continue to explore what has improved, what hasn't changed, and what new problems crop up. Realize, of course that a problem we experience in 1.091 might be the result of some unfinished changes, but if we find it, we will help to make sure that those parts do get finished. I see value in thoroughly exploring the noise (for example, is the vertical stripe gone now?), the AWB, the EXIF details, and the back of the camera functions. But, as they used to say in Hill Street Blues every week, be careful out there! scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 1, 2007 Share #255 Posted March 1, 2007 As long as Leica has permitted a short beta test of their "intermediate stage" new firmware, I see no harm in continuing to see how they are doing, and perhaps some good things can come of it. Guy reported two behaviors that are still hard to reproduce. Carl Bretteville spotted an error in the EXIF output. As long as these are clearly labelled as not a result of product software, and expressed without using extreme and emotional terms, how can it hurt for those who have copies of 1.091 to continue to explore what has improved, what hasn't changed, and what new problems crop up. Realize, of course that a problem we experience in 1.091 might be the result of some unfinished changes, but if we find it, we will help to make sure that those parts do get finished. I see value in thoroughly exploring the noise (for example, is the vertical stripe gone now?), the AWB, the EXIF details, and the back of the camera functions. But, as they used to say in Hill Street Blues every week, be careful out there! scott Well I just got off the phone with my Leica rep and we did have a laugh about this but i did say that even as a simple accident it really is a good thing that folks see leica is working hard to get the correct firmware out the door for the end user. Also the little glitches some have you have seen were reported to them to work on, so all in all we all got a chance to see what is coming and also be a beta tester for a day, which is kind of fun . So if anything crops up . Please pass that info so it can be reported and make our next public version much better. I know 98 percent of this forum is here to learn , teach and help in any way they can. Folks it simply can't get any better than that for any company. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted March 1, 2007 Share #256 Posted March 1, 2007 Guy, As I have stated before, there can be huge benefits to a company working with its customers. The old model of keeping everything secretive doesn't work very well in the Internet age and enightened companies are discovering this. The alternative is to run around suing your customers because someone somewhere leaked something that was under NDA. To give you an idea of how radical some of us have become, in our rather large multi-year and multi-million dollar development efforts we maintain two servers with alpha and beta versions of our projects. The alpha server is available to a more select technical group that tests and provides us feedback. We roll out daily updates to it unless there hasn't been any significant changes. The beta server is available to a wide group of our customers for the product and we update it weekly with the latest stable build from the alpha testers. The feedback has proven to be invaluable and saved us many hours of work or going down a wrong path. Admittedly, there are risks to doing this and occasionally it bites you but I think the rewards in overall customer satisfaction and ownership far outweigh the risks. About 6 months ago we began partnering with an Australian company on another project and they took this approach too and it has paid off very well for them. I realize that this allows your competitors to have insight into what you are doing but if they are locked into the old way they won't be able to take advantage of the knowledge until the next version of their product and by then you will be further down the road yourself. They will always be in follow-me catchup mode until they figure it out for themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 1, 2007 Share #257 Posted March 1, 2007 If you put a WATE on a camera with 1.091, the focal length in the info window is recorded at 18mm and doesn't change with the selected focal length but nor does it change if you change the position of the preset lever. In 1.09, the field is left blank. Keep the user guessing or be right one third of the time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe D. Posted March 1, 2007 Author Share #258 Posted March 1, 2007 Its always surprising to see how quick you people are!We put yesterday a less than perfect update online just ten minutes on the German homepage due to a content management system. OK, it's our (my) fault, we (i) shouldn't have believed on the statement that "Leica will bring out a next, better made, firmware on february 2007". Should we be sorry for that you put a less than perfect update online for just 10 minutes ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirvine Posted March 1, 2007 Share #259 Posted March 1, 2007 As I have stated before, there can be huge benefits to a company working with its customers. The old model of keeping everything secretive doesn't work very well in the Internet age and enightened companies are discovering this. The alternative is to run around suing your customers because someone somewhere leaked something that was under NDA. I don't disagree with you in principle, but what you describe sounds a lot like the way Apple deals with their loyal customers, and they have a fanatic customer base that rivals Leica's in their rabid loyalty. I hear Apple does pretty well in the Internet age, too. The trouble is that companies are held to the words of their spokespeople (in a legal and a business sense), and are justified to be a little risk averse when it comes to *fully* sharing the problems they are wrestling with. It's just one of those areas that make doing business more difficult than it ought to be, but isn't anyone's fault at the end of the day. In the end, the product has to be "insanely great". That's what brings the Apple freaks coming back for more punishment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffreyg Posted March 1, 2007 Share #260 Posted March 1, 2007 Its always surprising to see how quick you people are!We put yesterday a less than perfect update online just ten minutes on the German homepage due to a content management system. As we saw it, we immediately reverted to the former version but a couple of you were quicker than we were! The people who download this "update" should please revert to the former version. We are still working on the real update for the M8. It will be advertised on the homepage in English also and I will announce it here too in order to avoid further confusion. Please accept our excuses for this short problem, JJ Viau Leica Camera AG Internet Management Your response is much appreciated. We are glad to see progress, and believe the 2-way communication can be of benefit to you as well as to the consumer. Please have our thanks, and any assistance we can give to diminish distractions from ill-advised posts. We welcome your participation at any level. Geoff Goldberg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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