EVF M rumoured

[SrMi]

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11 minutes ago, setuporg said:

Just saw the GFX100RF news.  Messucher police would certainly book those who've made up the false "RF".

And the f/4 lens?  

Maybe that's your EVF camera...:)

Yuck :).

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[adan]

I think Leica's statements on the EVF-M question have been - diplomatic.

Diplomacy having once been defined as "The fine art of saying 'nice doggie' - while looking around for a stone to throw."

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[setuporg]

Breaking: Bernie Sanders has just weighed in on this:

 

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[tom0511]

some want it, others do not see the point. as long as we will have both options...everybody can be happy.

 

[setuporg]

3 minutes ago, tom0511 said:

some want it, others do not see the point. as long as we will have both options...everybody can be happy.

We'll all be happy so long as nobody calls the EVF-addled contraption a "rangefinder."  Unless it's used to find a cooking range.

Edited March 24 by setuporg

[jaapv]

44 minutes ago, bcaslis said:

Absolutely not!!! 😱

I want an M sized body with M build quality with high resolution EVF working with Leica M lenses. What I find interesting is the assumption that the EVF is implemented like all other EVF cameras.

What I would do is replace the OVF rangerfinder and viewfinder windows with camera sensors (like from a smartphone) and create a literal digital rangefinder where the input to the EVF is from those two sensors and create a digitized view that can help those with aging sight providing magnification and other highlights. It would really be a rangefinder since there is nothing that says the rangefinder has to be mechanical instead of digital. I don't really expect this but I would do this for several reasons not least is nobody can copy this just by putting an M lens on a Sony body, and it silences (somewhat) those claiming blasphemy that it's not a rangefinder.

 

 

I seem to recall that Leixa patented this idea but dropped it in the end because they couldn’t get it to work satisfactorily 

[Jeff S]

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7 hours ago, JNK100 said:

I will yes, as the CEO of Leica has said as long as he is running Leica it will be a RF.

Not exactly. Stefan Daniel said 6 years ago that there would always be an RF version, but that they were testing an EVF version. He has also said that a hybrid version was tested but that it resulted in unacceptable compromises to both viewing systems given space constraints. He called the hybrid approach a “no-go.”

https://photobasecamp.com/leica-factory-future-product-news/

Edited March 25 by Jeff S

[jakontil]

The EVF M would lure more people to the M system… thats good for the business and M eco system in the long run

but im sticking with the OG 

[jaapv]

10 minutes ago, jakontil said:

The EVF M would lure more people to the M system… thats good for the business and M eco system in the long run

but im sticking with the OG 

Very doubtful. What research do you base this on? 

[jakontil]

12 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Very doubtful. What research do you base this on? 

Well at least some of my mates whose main cameras are sony, fuji and they never have a taste of Leica except for the lenses being adapted, were very interested jumping into the M EVF

they wanted M but they were too scared to experience with the RF, no confidence… 

and now.. they could eventually proclaim themselves as an M shooter if that happens to be accurate.. M11-V 

im pretty sure the RF users will decline over time… 

But im an M OG 😎

[raizans]

45 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Very doubtful.

What research do you base this on? 

[adan]

3 hours ago, jaapv said:

I seem to recall that Leixa patented this idea but dropped it in the end because they couldn’t get it to work satisfactorily 

Yep. Called the CORREFOT system. It was worked on for both external (P&S AF) and internal (SLR AF) sensors.

https://vintagelens.nl/2019/09/09/leica-invented-autofocus-minolta-went-on-developing-it/?srsltid=AfmBOopGxJKOkb-6O2RhwMmavMP9Ul6Uw1Hs8bAB9g-sI5nRr6y4sKX1&v=1a13105b7e4e

https://gmpphoto.blogspot.com/2012/03/leitz-correfot-autofocus-system.html

Minolta first made compact P&S cameras using reduced-size versions of the dual "bug-eye" external sensors. Including the Leica-branded AF-C1

http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Minolta_AF-E

http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Leica_AF-C1

Then put the phase-detectors onto a circuit board (eventually a single chip) that hid behind or under a semi-silvered SLR mirror, for the Maxxum system.

http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Minolta_7000

Of note, Minolta led the world in camera sales 1985-1990, mostly because they had consumer-AF before anyone else.

The Contax G system used BOTH external bug-eye PDAF sensors - and an infrared-beam triangulation system to actually "find the range" in meers/feet.

I had that system for about a year in 2000 - the AF hunted a lot trying to find focus, and had problems focusing the 90mm at f/2.8 at all at certain distances (anything beyond 20 meters was measured as "infinity"). Which is why I switched to an M4-2 in 2001

Edited March 25 by adan

[bcaslis]

This isn't what I suggested. There is a world of difference between an AF system and a manual focus assist system. I see no reason a "digital rangefinder" couldn't be done with today's technology. However, I don't hold any hope that this is what Leica is working on.

 

[Tseg]

Just give me focus peaking using miniature “head’s up display” tech within the OVF.  I want the white’s of their eyes to turn red when I do a 90mm portrait.

[setuporg]

1 hour ago, Tseg said:

Just give me focus peaking using miniature “head’s up display” tech within the OVF.  I want the white’s of their eyes to turn red when I do a 90mm portrait.

It's important not to shoot until you see the whites of their eyes!

[3D-Kraft.com]

vor 21 Stunden schrieb JNK100:

I am perplexed by this entire thread as an 'M' with an EVF would not be an 'M'.

We had this discussion about the misinterpreted meaning of "M" already about 25 pages ago: https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5757569

[lct]

Whatever the exact meaning of messsucher (viewfinder with rangefinder), the rumored EVF-M or M11-V would have no rangefinder at all. But it would be another M-mount camera, like the M1 below and other M cameras having no rangefinder.

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[JNK100]

2 hours ago, 3D-Kraft.com said:

We had this discussion about the misinterpreted meaning of "M" already about 25 pages ago: https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5757569

Yes, but it doesn't mean I accept it.

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[lct]

3 minutes ago, JNK100 said:

Yes, but it doesn't mean I accept it.

People in the sixties had not to accept the M1 above either. They could buy an M2 or an M3 instead, the same way as you can buy an M10 or an M11 if you wish.

[JNK100]

30 minutes ago, lct said:

People in the sixties had not to accept the M1 above either. They could buy an M2 or an M3 instead, the same way as you can buy an M10 or an M11 if you wish.

Agreed. My point was that in my view, an 'M' without a opto-mech. RF should be called something else entirely. I am not against the idea of an EVF camera which takes M lenses at all - in fact I had an SL which I used this way.