EVF M rumoured

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vor 3 Stunden schrieb nicci78:

My Leica store confirms that Leica M with EVF and M-mount is coming this summer alongside a new Noctilux-M 35mm f/1,2

It will look like a Q without lens.

interesting! Thanks for sharing the opinion of your LEICA Dealer. Does he think also that this Leica M-EVF (or whatever the brand name will be)is not the expected (?) M12 ?

[TeleElmar135mm]

And what's with the shutter? Does the shutter fit into the Q housing - or is the shutter skipped for a 100% electronic? Or becomes the Q thicker?

Oh weh - I'm looking forward to the discussions here.

[LocalHero1953]

I would bet a bit of spare cash that it will be a simple M11 with the rangefinder replaced by an EVF giving the same experience as the current external EVF: no IBIS, no novel focus confirmation, no other functionality etc. If it works well, and sells well, then they can design it, with such extras, into a M12-E.

The interesting bit will be the quality of the EVF: in physical size, resolution and speed of response. It's all very well removing the RF mechanism, but you still have to fit an EVF and optical pathway for viewing it at a decent size in a space without a hump as big as the SL's, or in a body without a shutter mechanism like the Q's.

How long before one can buy stick-on fake viewfinder and rangefinder windows to break up that vast blank expanse of silver on the front?

 

Edited March 4 by LocalHero1953

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1 minute ago, LocalHero1953 said:

The interesting bit will be the quality of the EVF: in physical size, resolution and speed of response....

 

Agreed. To be honest the Q3 EVF, although 5MP, is pretty poor. The resolution may be high but the quality is poor, particularly in low light and when the shutter is depressed the resolution falls off sharply. I don't know if it's an issue with the EVF, the SW or the processing power but it lags well behind its peers. If Leica doesn't do something there will be a lot of people wishing they still had a rangefinder.

[LocalHero1953]

I find the Q3 43 to be acceptable. I also have the SL2-S to compare it to. I use both in low light (e.g. drama rehearsal venues).
Which cameras have you found to have a better EVF? (I'm not arguing - I'm just curious).

[SrMi]

8 minutes ago, Corius said:

when the shutter is depressed the resolution falls off sharply.

That is only in AF-C mode. Like in many other cameras, the EVF resolution is lowered during focusing.

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6 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I find the Q3 43 to be acceptable. I also have the SL2-S to compare it to. I use both in low light (e.g. drama rehearsal venues).
Which cameras have you found to have a better EVF? (I'm not arguing - I'm just curious).

I've had 2 Q3s and a Q3 43, and I don't remember a great improvement over the Q2. I recently bought a Canon R6 Mark II which, although only 3MP, performs much better. I also had a Sony A7CII which is only 2.36 MP and I think that I actually preferred that also.

The Q3 is OK in good light, but still drops the resolution quite a bit when focussed and seems to shimmer. I also find the 100Hz worse than standard rate. Strangely, the behaviour is different is single-shot v's Continuous. Continuous does seem better, particularly in respect to blackout (as is well documented in the forum)

Everyone sees things differently (excuse the pun) so others may well have a contradictory view

Edited March 4 by Corius

[costa43]

1 hour ago, Corius said:

I've had 2 Q3s and a Q3 43, and I don't remember a great improvement over the Q2. I recently bought a Canon R6 Mark II which, although only 3MP, performs much better. I also had a Sony A7CII which is only 2.36 MP and I think that I actually preferred that also.

The Q3 is OK in good light, but still drops the resolution quite a bit when focussed and seems to shimmer. I also find the 100Hz worse than standard rate. Strangely, the behaviour is different is single-shot v's Continuous. Continuous does seem better, particularly in respect to blackout (as is well documented in the forum)

Everyone sees things differently (excuse the pun) so others may well have a contradictory view

I have a Q3 and an SL2s and I prefer the SL2s one, even though on paper they are similar. Not sure if it’s a trick of the mind but i find it crisper to use and easier to tell when I nail focus. It also feels like it has a bit more dynamic range, again possibly an illusion I’ve fallen for but so be it. The Q3 though for me is perfectly usable and nice and large, something which irks me with the A7 Sony range, I find them too small. 

[costa43]

5 hours ago, nicci78 said:

My Leica store confirms that Leica M with EVF and M-mount is coming this summer alongside a new Noctilux-M 35mm f/1,2

It will look like a Q without lens.

Have they ever been accurate with this type of prediction with you in the past?

I thought it would just be an M11 variant, seems like the cheapest route to market for Leica with little risk should it not work out. If this is true though then it bodes well for size and possibly price, might be around 5k or so to start with. The lens if it’s a Noctilux will be ridiculously priced but exciting if they can make it relatively compact. 

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5 hours ago, costa43 said:

Have they ever been accurate with this type of prediction with you in the past?

I thought it would just be an M11 variant, seems like the cheapest route to market for Leica with little risk should it not work out. If this is true though then it bodes well for size and possibly price, might be around 5k or so to start with. The lens if it’s a Noctilux will be ridiculously priced but exciting if they can make it relatively compact. 

The way I would like it to go [and based on Leica Rumors....]

Modern M style body with adjusted top plate to remove iso dial.  Also simplified [aka modernised] rear and larger screen, stripped back to the essential.  It can be without compromise and minimalist simplicity.  Remove the tradition as it is not required [retain the form and shape only].  This could be a Q style camera with the M body shape.

It would be recognisable as an M in form and lens however removes things such as rangefinder windows so the front will be cleaner.  It is a major opportunity for Leica to move forward with the M and I certainly don't think it will be a 'stick in a EVF and see what happens.'
They need to be bold with this as it is a big move on their flagship camera.

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, Parolibre said:

Wow, a 35 Noctilux! I wonder how big the size of the lens is going to be…

shorter than the waitlist

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On 3/4/2025 at 4:05 PM, nicci78 said:

My Leica store confirms that Leica M with EVF and M-mount is coming this summer alongside a new Noctilux-M 35mm f/1,2

It will look like a Q without lens.

So a QM 😉. That could be interesting. My dealer put me on his (“no comment 🤫”) waiting list a few weeks ago ..

[jimtong]

On 2/13/2025 at 11:51 PM, BiffBrown said:

They did that with the digital CL.

I meant if they really do it, maybe a EVF with native M mount. Not L mount. Well just my view and hoping I am wrong.

Edited March 17 by jimtong

[LocalHero1953]

What's the difference between a QM, M-E, EVF-M, M-L, small SL, SL-M, CL-FF?

Asking for a friend.

[Dazzajl]

54 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

What's the difference between a QM, M-E, EVF-M, M-L, small SL, SL-M, CL-FF?

Asking for a friend.

Price point surely? The further forward you put ‘M’ in the title, the more expensive it gets

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5 hours ago, Dazzajl said:

Price point surely? The further forward you put ‘M’ in the title, the more expensive it gets

That’s why I like QM. If you deduct that APO Summicron from the Q343, it cannot cost much anymore 😉😎

[costa43]

I still think it will be an M11 series. That top plate on the M11-D makes me think there is another more mainstream camera benefitting from it. I seriously doubt Leica will change their tooling/design of the M11 top plate just for the D model. Something else will surely have it.

[algrove]

So what will be introduced on May 3rd 2025? Perhaps an M3?

[charlesphoto99]

On 3/17/2025 at 9:38 AM, costa43 said:

I seriously doubt Leica will change their tooling/design of the M11 top plate just for the D model. Something else will surely have it.

Umm, they did for past D models, so pretty sure it's not that big of a deal for them to do so. Maybe in the far past, but now with modern CAD and casting most likely a matter of just plugging in some new software and letting it rip. As well, the D still has the small rangefinder window so they would have to recast it anyway for an EVF version. 

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I just completed a Leica online survey, with the main focus on in-camera image processing.  It wasn't specific to the M but I wonder whether Leica is gauging reaction before introducing something in the next M or with firmware updates?  The processing options were:

(1) Ultra Dynamic Range;

(2) Living Memories rather than static photos.  Similar to what is currently available on the iPhone;

(3) Individual Looks.  Maybe a further development of Leica Looks;

(4) Night Mode;

(5) Super Resolution Mode.

My overall response was 'no thanks' just keep the camera simple.  Given the current direction of travel, Leica Lux etc, I do hope the software department is not taking over from the camera department.