EVF M rumoured

[FrozenInTime]

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2 hours ago, kiwidad said:

Maybe AF is an option with M lenses incorporating an adapter like Nikon did years back on the F3AF with the TC-16af adapter. Downside was the 1.6x multiplier

Integrating autofocus into M lenses would destroy their inherent advantages, making them larger and reliant on plastics and electronics.

A solution already exists - see cine MOD 0.8 gears and motors. Clearly a rigged up camera is not right for a small camera like a M, but the concept could be miniaturized and fitted into a base unit the size of a Leicavit.

 

 

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[algrove]

Leica will do this only if it augments their bottom line. That is their thrust these days and we are their target audience. Not so different from any other for-profit company these days.

[mikelevitt]

13 hours ago, rramesh said:

The Visoflex on my M9 fell apart in less than 2 years.

 

Where can I buy this amazing M9 Visoflex?

[mikelevitt]

7 hours ago, grahamc said:

what kind of bag would members recommend using with such a camera. and which countries will it be best suited to shooting in 

Don't forget that we also need to discuss the preferred case and strap, and whether a soft-touch release is needed, particularly should it have the Leica logo?  And most importantly, what color is the dot?  And even more important, will there be a black paint LHSA version?

[Stef63]

4 minutes ago, mikelevitt said:

Where can I buy this amazing M9 Visoflex?

You mean this one ?

[mikelevitt]

On 10/18/2025 at 9:28 AM, pgk said:

And they have benefits such as highly accurate focus with wide lenses. As I keep saying, they work well within their envelope. But cameras are all about trade-offs and its rare to find that one advantage isn't balanced out by a different disadvantage.

All this thread is really about is form factor. The question is whether form factor is sufficiently buyable to overcome limitations.

Actually, the focus is not more accurate with wide lenses.  Wide lenses are more forgiving of focusing errors.

[mikelevitt]

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3 minutes ago, Stef63 said:

You mean this one ?

Right!  But I thought they fell apart in 2 years?  That one looks more like about 74 years old, and still working.  Now I am REALLY confused!

[SrMi]

44 minutes ago, algrove said:

Leica will do this only if it augments their bottom line. That is their thrust these days and we are their target audience. Not so different from any other for-profit company these days.

Bottom line is important, but heritage/soul is even more important to them.

 

[pgk]

46 minutes ago, mikelevitt said:

Actually, the focus is not more accurate with wide lenses.  Wide lenses are more forgiving of focusing errors.

It most certainly is. Wide lenses are more forgiving if you are not bothered about the precise point of focus. This is restricting in many genres of photography. Covering focus error by depth of field is acceptable only when precise focus is not particularly important (though I'm struggling to decide on an example), or if you are using a hyperfocal setting based on the final output requirement (ie not on the engraved depth of field scale). Otherwise its just sloppy workmanship. Precise focus of wide-angles is a strength of the M rangefinder because it is does not rely on visual assesment of the precise point of focus from image that they project. This can be difficult to determine precisely because wide-angles have an apparent large depth of field rather than a clear, easily assessed, visible plane of focus.

[jaapv]

58 minutes ago, Stef63 said:

You mean this one ?

Rather unlikely. Those do not  fall apart unless you remove a number of screws. Used them a lot. Fit for military use. 

[lct]

It is not difficult to focus WA and even UWA lenses with a good EVF. Even the Visoflex 2 can do it easily with focus magnification. Here with a 15mm lens. The EVF-M could well have new focus aids, according to rumors, but i don't need them personally. YMMV.

[mikelevitt]

39 minutes ago, pgk said:

It most certainly is. Wide lenses are more forgiving if you are not bothered about the precise point of focus. This is restricting in many genres of photography. Covering focus error by depth of field is acceptable only when precise focus is not particularly important (though I'm struggling to decide on an example), or if you are using a hyperfocal setting based on the final output requirement (ie not on the engraved depth of field scale). Otherwise its just sloppy workmanship. Precise focus of wide-angles is a strength of the M rangefinder because it is does not rely on visual assesment of the precise point of focus from image that they project. This can be difficult to determine precisely because wide-angles have an apparent large depth of field rather than a clear, easily assessed, visible plane of focus.

The M Rangefinder does not know which lens is attached.  The focusing accuracy (which is mediocre at best IMO) is the same regardless of which lens is attached.  "Precise focus of wide-angles" is just as unlikely as precise focus of telephotos, but the inherent greater depth of field of wide angles covers up user error.  Conversely, there is no way to look at a photo taken with a wide-angle and determine exactly where the point of focus was, unless what you were shooting was a ruler or test chart at short range, wide open.

The "apparent" large depth of field is actually a measurable and demonstrable large depth of field.  It's physics.

[jdlaing]

17 minutes ago, mikelevitt said:

The M Rangefinder does not know which lens is attached.  The focusing accuracy (which is mediocre at best IMO) is the same regardless of which lens is attached.  "Precise focus of wide-angles" is just as unlikely …….(clip)

Unless you tell it in the menu or it reads the six bit code.  It’s also very accurate focusing in wide angle lenses.

Edited 21 hours ago by jdlaing

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24 minutes ago, mikelevitt said:

It's physics.

I have been using cameras for several decades now. Finally, someone explains to me that depth of field is not a custom but physics. Thanks so much for making that clear.

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, lct said:

It is not difficult to focus WA and even UWA lenses with a good EVF. Even the Visoflex 2 can do it easily with focus magnification. Here with a 15mm lens. The EVF-M could well have new focus aids, according to rumors, but i don't need them personally. YMMV.

Just try with a Summilux... Yes it is easy - with proper RF technique. 

[mikelevitt]

1 hour ago, pop said:

I have been using cameras for several decades now. Finally, someone explains to me that depth of field is not a custom but physics. Thanks so much for making that clear.

Exactly what did that add to the discussion?  Except for an unpleasant, snarky

 

1 hour ago, jdlaing said:

Unless you tell it in the menu or it reads the six bit code.  It’s also very accurate focusing in wide angle lenses.

No.  The code will show up in the metadata, and maybe enable digital corrections, depending on your settings, which software you use, etc, but the viewfinder is a purely optical, mechanical analog device of glass and metal that gives you the same view (ignoring frame lines which are irrelevant here) no matter which lens you have attached.

[lct]

4 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Just try with a Summilux... Yes it is easy - with proper RF technique. 

What Summilux? I must have used most of them, bar 90/1.5 and 75/1.25, and none was of any complication with an EVF. Rangefinders? I've been using them for 50+ years so i begin to know how they work. I have nothing against RFs per se but it is less a question of technique, to me, than the way i like seing the world in a viewfinder. I'm not that much interested to see it through a little window. I prefer seeing the world the way the camera sees it and a RF cannot do that unless with an accessory EVF.

[Robert Blanko]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb kiwidad:

Maybe AF is an option with M lenses incorporating an adapter like Nikon did years back on the F3AF with the TC-16af adapter. Downside was the 1.6x multiplier

Yeah, that's almost spot on! According to a friend of our cat's cat friend's owner, the M11 EVF that will be released on October 23rd will have a built-in Techart adapter (more robust and Leica quality though) for AF.

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[jdlaing]

28 minutes ago, mikelevitt said:

Exactly what did that add to the discussion?  Except for an unpleasant, snarky

 

No.  The code will show up in the metadata, and maybe enable digital corrections, depending on your settings, which software you use, etc, but the viewfinder is a purely optical, mechanical analog device of glass and metal that gives you the same view (ignoring frame lines which are irrelevant here) no matter which lens you have attached.

Why ignore the framelines? They are there for a reason.

[TeleElmar135mm]

vor 25 Minuten schrieb Robert Blanko:

(..)! According to a friend of our cat's cat friend's owner, the M11 EVF that will be released on October 23rd will have a built-in Techart adapter (more robust and Leica quality though) for AF.

... sounds like ALF

 

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Edited 19 hours ago by TeleElmar135mm