EVF M rumoured

[krooj]

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It'd be pretty neat if they gave focus confirmation with a simulated RF patch using PDAF on the sensor itself. You also have to wonder whether this model will somehow be able to adapt and drive L-mount lenses as well. 

 

[ALScott]

This may not be the best place for this but it is ultimately an EVF discussion.  March will mark 2 years with my first Leica and camera with an EVF, a Q3.  I feel like I have struggled a bit with the EVF on it and definitely with the Visoflex on the M11P.  To me the Visoflex is almost useless.  I have gotten used to estimating the frame without it when shooting with my 21 lux.  I feel the Visoflex is completely useless for focusing.  I am comfortable with the EVF in SL's but not with M lenses.  The magnification is not helpful at all to me for tack sharp focus.  Sure, it works for generally in focus but not nailing focus.  I only feel confident using the RF on the M11P for tack sharp and the SL3's with SL lenses.  So I can't see how a M EV whatever would be any benefit for me.  If it would have a "field" or the like component that tells you focus was nailed, yes, without that, no for me.  Also, focus peaking only seems horribly distracting to me.  It also makes everything look like it's in focus.  If anyone can give me pointers on the Visoflex and focus peaking I would very much appreciate it.  I would love to have a reason to buy a M11 EVF.  I really don't need that but wanting it for a legit reason would be fun.  I will find some other crap to sell to fund it!!!

[Derbyshire Man]

I don’t rate the visoflex 2 much either, without mag it’s hard to focus accurately and I find mag really distracting and buzzkilling. For some reason the EVF on my Canon R5mk2 is easier to focus but my guess is the 9mp Sony one would be best (I’ve never used it). 
 

To give yourself the best chance with visoflex/Q3 evf I’d recommend shooting in black and white high contrast, focus peaking red, lowest sensitivity.

When the light and contrast is too low for me on an M (eye lashes with no contrast are a struggle!) the Q3 with AF does a better job than me with focus peaking and it’s the primary reason I have it, secondary one handed in bad weather. 

[JNK100]

10 hours ago, DadDadDaddyo said:

..."puristic design"?

Yes and 5.76 megapixel EVF instead of mega-dots....

[luigi bertolotti]

12 hours ago, cnguyen said:

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• Not sure if it will be available in silver
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Never had a black body apart the old CL.... 😆 and without IBIS... hum, I tend towards "won't buy..."

[BernardC]

8 hours ago, krooj said:

You also have to wonder whether this model will somehow be able to adapt and drive L-mount lenses as well. 

The only way that could happen is if the camera had a native L-Mount, with an M adapter. That's not ruled-out yet; nothing is until Leica makes an announcement.

[la1402]

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So far it looks like just a M11 with an EVF and some SW algorithm that helps focussing. Most likely announced as beta Version with some Update in the future. Hhmm..

[Smudgerer]

3 minutes ago, la1402 said:

So far it looks like just a M11 with an EVF and some SW algorithm that helps focussing. Most likely announced as beta Version with some Update in the future. Hhmm..

Early adopters / purchasers as per the M11 launch, good luck with that for all the memory impaired who are eagerly awaiting throwing their $$$$$/€€€€ in the M-EVF/whatever name it will be direction, what could possibly go wrong?

[lct]

This so-called memory impaired has been using M lenses with mirrorless cameras for 10+ years. Great experience with the M11 + EVF too. I don't remember my lost memories though

[Stef63]

2 hours ago, BernardC said:

The only way that could happen is if the camera had a native L-Mount, with an M adapter. That's not ruled-out yet; nothing is until Leica makes an announcement.

Well… technically it is possible to mount an L lens on an M body — you just need a metal saw to remove about 8 mm from the back of the lens to match the longer M-body flange distance...

[TeleElmar135mm]

vor 7 Minuten schrieb Stef63:

Well… technically it is possible to mount an L lens on an M body — you just need a metal saw to remove about 8 mm from the back of the lens to match the longer M-body flange distance...

Great ... please post a construction instruction ...  

[FrozenInTime]

I’ve convinced myself Leica are going to play this EVF camera too conservatively.

Given that I would always use it in conjunction with a rangefinder camera e.g. MP or M10 and 35 or 50mm Summilux lenses, it seems like for other purposes a small video capable mirrorless camera would offer more creativity. I might revisit the M-EV six months down the road, and see how everyone got on with it.

Sort of like a TL2 on steroids., the Nikon ZR, can use M lenses e.g. on a typoch positive-lock M-Z adapter,  and is capable of laying down 1.7 TB of raw  6k video data per hour; all with a fan-less M sized body; that seems quite an engineering achievement ( compared to merging a Q3 EVF into a M11 shell ).

Anyone else looking to carry two M sized bodies with horizontal rather than vertical expansion of capabilities ?

[lct]

I expect the EVF-M to be my workhorse camera and keeping the M11 when i need the RF experience, but carrying both i hardly see any reason why.

[setuporg]

Just a regular reminder that an EVF-M is not really an M, because M means the opposite of EVF.  I'm entirely unexcited about it, this whole long thread is sad, and you guys should be ashamed of yourselves for indulging this dastartdly bastardization of the Messucher.

Also can we please get this stuff out of the M11 forum and into its own new forum, something like "Fake M (GFX100"RF", EVF-"M" etc.)"?

(And here's a real big EVF for Leica!)

Edited 5 hours ago by setuporg

[luigi bertolotti]

31 minutes ago, setuporg said:

... this whole long thread is sad, and you guys should be ashamed of yourselves for indulging this dastartdly bastardization of the Messucher.

 

Personally, i surf frequently the forum, time to time go to this thread, read and in case write something... and I think so is for many others... why SAD ? Is simply innocent fun...

[setuporg]

17 minutes ago, luigi bertolotti said:

Personally, i surf frequently the forum, time to time go to this thread, read and in case write something... and I think so is for many others... why SAD ? Is simply innocent fun...

It's a bit of a joke of course, what have we come to, chewing on an EVF, of all things, for 160 pages!

[lct]

1 hour ago, setuporg said:

[...] you guys should be ashamed of yourselves for indulging this dastartdly bastardization of the Messucher [...]

What's a Messucher?

[mjw3]

21 minutes ago, setuporg said:

It's a bit of a joke of course, what have we come to, chewing on an EVF, of all things, for 160 pages!

I think most people have inadequate skills with zone or RF focusing (I'm poor, but getting better), so they are excited for a dedicated M camera with EVF. 

I agree, as speculated so far, I am not attracted to this camera. Now if it was an L-mount Q, then I would be game.

[setuporg]

5 minutes ago, lct said:

What's a Messucher?

Meßsucher it is!

Edited 4 hours ago by setuporg

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vor 4 Minuten schrieb mjw3:

I think most people have inadequate skills with zone or RF focusing (I'm poor, but getting better), so they are excited for a dedicated M camera with EVF. 

I agree, as speculated so far, I am not attracted to this camera. Now if it was an L-mount Q, then I would be game.

I never had problems focusing with the RF, but wearing my glasses I struggle to even see the 35mm frame lines. A zoom RF would make me very happy. Otherwise, I am curious what Leica can do with a pure EVF implementation.