Do You Have A Trouble Free M11 or M11M?

[marchyman]

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10 hours ago, Smogg said:

On a 3 hour walk I take on average 600-700 frames. Is this a lot?

Do you think it's a lot?  That's what is important, I guess.

It would be a lot for me as I'd go crazy trying to cull the resulting images down to a reasonable set worth editing.  To compare, I've had my M11 for a bit more than 13 months and have used it to take about 925 frames

[lukeadair]

I have never had an issue of any kind with my M11.

[Smogg]

32 minutes ago, marchyman said:

Do you think it's a lot?  That's what is important, I guess.

It would be a lot for me as I'd go crazy trying to cull the resulting images down to a reasonable set worth editing.  To compare, I've had my M11 for a bit more than 13 months and have used it to take about 925 frames

After selecting the keepers, which takes about half an hour in Lightroom, I have 2-3 shots left out of these 600-700, then I spend 1-2 minutes processing each of them. Total 40 minutes for the entire post-processing including selection

[Knorp]

1 hour ago, Smogg said:

After selecting the keepers, which takes about half an hour in Lightroom, I have 2-3 shots left out of these 600-700, then I spend 1-2 minutes processing each of them. Total 40 minutes for the entire post-processing including selection

You could try switching off 'continuous shooting' ... 

[Smogg]

15 minutes ago, Knorp said:

You could try switching off 'continuous shooting' ... 

I shoot footage where there can be many people at the same time, the phases of movement are important to me

[Viv]

11 hours ago, fotografr said:

Depends on how much you like to sit at a computer editing the shots. For me, that sounds like a lot.

That would a lot for me too. In three hours I would typically make 20 shots.

[Derbyshire Man]

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6 hours ago, Smogg said:

I shoot footage where there can be many people at the same time, the phases of movement are important to me

Use your camera any way you fancy🤣

[fotografr]

9 hours ago, kiwidad said:

Prevalent,! Assumption? Well yes. Lots of posters here all excited but what is the real % Problem is we don’t know how many sold and so it hard to quantify the depth of the problem! it could be just a small percentage or it might not be. 
 

if you never had to power off or power pull any other brand I’d say your in the minority there , at least based on the forum whining of Nikon canon and Fuji owners 
 

I love the comment on most pros confident. A bold assumption since the extent of the problem  is unknown... 

 

You accuse me of making bold assumptions, then go on to make your own that I'm in the minority as someone who never had problems with my digital Nikon's and Canons. If the sampling here is insufficient to draw conclusions, why is it any different on the forums for Nikon, Canon and Fuji? You can't have it both ways my friend.

[Smogg]

I also had a lot of different cameras from different manufacturers. The M11 is the first camera to regularly freeze. At the same time, it cannot be replaced by anything, since the design, size, simplicity and functionality of this camera are closer than all other cameras to the ideal for me. Due to the problems with the M11, I've been using the X2D more often on walks, but even though the X2D has significantly better color, I really miss the features that are unique to the M11.

[lct]

Dunno what experience you have with craft companies guys but i got less issues with the M11 than with M3 (tight lens mount), M4-2 (broken shutter), M8.2 (IR contamination, coffee stain) and digital CL (faulty diopter dial) so far. The Leica warranty has always worked well, as expected, so I find it hard to understand the lamentations of this forum. Strange to have to repeat it in a thread dedicated to trouble free M11s BTW...

 

 

[fotografr]

1 hour ago, lct said:

Dunno what experience you have with craft companies guys but i got less issues with the M11 than with M3 (tight lens mount), M4-2 (broken shutter), M8.2 (IR contamination, coffee stain) and digital CL (faulty diopter dial) so far. The Leica warranty has always worked well, as expected, so I find it hard to understand the lamentations of this forum. Strange to have to repeat it in a thread dedicated to trouble free M11s BTW...

 

 

I think the level of dissatisfaction right now might be tied to the problems with Leica Repair Service. If someone has the M11 too long to return it to the dealer for exchange or refund, their only option is to send it off for what is likely to be a 7 to 12 month service. That's not a good scenario.

I had three M8s that experienced what was being referred to as "sudden death." The cameras just bricked and nothing could bring them back. Each one went back to Wetzlar and was replaced immediately. I was working directly with Herr Stefen Daniel throughout that ordeal. We can't do that today with the M11. They simply are not readily available, to the best of my knowledge. Otherwise, there would be no complaints.

There are obviously people who have trouble free M11s, and I know from your previous comments that you're one of them. But I think it's unfair to criticize people who have faulty cameras now and are facing long repair or replacement times and who are expressing dissatisfaction about it.

Edited April 27, 2024 by fotografr

[Balta]

Am 26.4.2024 um 09:29 schrieb Balta:

On my side,

No freezes since I have the camera ~ 10 months, >300 Photos

 

M11 black #5681xyz

Fw: 2.02

Sd Card: SanDisk 128GB extreme pro 170MB/s, formated in camera

Lenses: Leicas, 6bit coded and non 6 bit coded

 

 

 

I missed to hit one zero. Yes, still not a lot of exposures with > 3000 with the M11. Still worth to share my experience, I thought, but ...

 

[Knorp]

43 minutes ago, fotografr said:

I think the level of dissatisfaction right now might be tied to the problems with Leica Repair Service. If someone has the M11 too long to return it to the dealer for exchange or refund, their only option is to send it off for what is likely to be a 7 to 12 month service. That's not a good scenario.

I had three M8s that experienced what was being referred to as "sudden death." The cameras just bricked and nothing could bring them back. Each one went back to Wetzlar and was replaced immediately. I was working directly with Herr Stefen Daniel throughout that ordeal. We can't do that today with the M11. They simply are not readily available, to the best of my knowledge. Otherwise, there would be no complaints.

There are obviously people who have trouble free M11s, and I know from your previous comments that you're one of them. But I think it's unfair to criticize people who have faulty cameras now and are facing long repair or replacement times and who are expressing dissatisfaction about it.

Yes all true and I do feel sympathy for the unlucky M11(-P/M) owners, but this thread was meant for the 'happy few' ... 

[lct]

i guess i'll keep my spear and armour for this thread too then 😄

 

[fotografr]

11 minutes ago, lct said:

i guess i'll keep my spear and armour for this thread too then 😄

 

Never take a spear to a gunfight. 😉

[Yarosuav]

On 4/26/2024 at 12:38 PM, Smogg said:

On a 3 hour walk I take on average 600-700 frames. Is this a lot?

That's over 3 pictures every minute - for three hours... That's one picture every 20 seconds or so - for three hours... That's a lot. Whatever works for you I guess, but my suggestion is to actually enjoy the walk, as opposed to being glued to your viewfinder for three hours... 

[lct]

Just high speed compulsive continuous mode 😄

 

[Smogg]

4 hours ago, Yarosuav said:

That's over 3 pictures every minute - for three hours... That's one picture every 20 seconds or so - for three hours... That's a lot. Whatever works for you I guess, but my suggestion is to actually enjoy the walk, as opposed to being glued to your viewfinder for three hours... 

I shoot in continues hi mode and spend several dozen frames working on one scene, changing the angle and distance slightly

[T25UFO]

On 4/27/2024 at 5:11 AM, Smogg said:

After selecting the keepers, which takes about half an hour in Lightroom, I have 2-3 shots left out of these 600-700, then I spend 1-2 minutes processing each of them. Total 40 minutes for the entire post-processing including selection

I’m impressed by the speed of your work.  Reviewing circa 700 photos in 30 minutes, that’s less than 3 seconds on each photo.  I couldn’t do that and be certain to have chosen the best 2 or 3, but then I probably take 30 photos in the same time and spend a lot longer on the review.

Sometimes my photo count will be in single figures, then I don’t bother with Lightroom and just open each image in Camera Raw before a final review and adjustment in Photoshop.  We all have different ways of working 🙂

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[ianforber]

12 hours ago, Smogg said:

I shoot in continues hi mode and spend several dozen frames working on one scene, changing the angle and distance slightly

How long do you wait before reviewing? Immediately afterwards or a short while later? I shoot far far fewer pictures - I have the camera on continuous low but almost always only take a single shot at a time. I usually import the pictures and leave it a month or so before reviewing. I’ve found that means I am less likely to keep shots simply because it was tricky to get it. It has the added advantage of meaning I delete most of my shots.