LocalHero1953 Posted January 3 Share #881  Posted January 3 Advertisement (gone after registration) We've been told that most M11 people can see there is a problem with a magenta cast. That's a lot of people, assuming Leica has sold thousands of M11s. I wonder how many of them have complained to Leica directly? If they did, it might take the heat out of the forum for a bit. For full disclosure, I don't have a M11, I do see a magenta cast on all those images where it has been pointed out, but since I always edit my images for colour, I'm with Rhett Butler on this. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pedaes Posted January 3 Share #882 Â Posted January 3 20 minutes ago, anonymoose said: I have a few friends with Ferraris (3) and Lamborghinis (2) and none of them has had issues with rattling. If any of their vehicles rattled they'd complain about it online and be at the dealership getting it addressed quickly. Jeez, with the 'report it online culture' has everyone in that camp lost any sense of humour they ever had? We were joking!!! 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 3 Share #883  Posted January 3 My knees rattle as well, too bad Leica don't make prostheses, i could complain on the forum 😄 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corius Posted January 3 Share #884 Â Posted January 3 34 minutes ago, anonymoose said: I have a few friends with Ferraris (3) and Lamborghinis (2) and none of them has had issues with rattling. If any of their vehicles rattled they'd complain about it online and be at the dealership getting it addressed quickly. Do you have one friend with 3 Ferraris and one friend with 2 Lamborghinis, or do you have 3 friends with 1 Ferrari, and 2 friends with 1 Lamborghini? It's important to get this right when you're flexing, so that we can estimate your net worth! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lldd Posted January 3 Share #885  Posted January 3 9 hours ago, jaapv said: My position is that it may well be a subjective esthetic choice, explaining Leica’s reluctance to change the situation. Why would they choose to make the M11 color output so different from the SL3 (and perhaps Q3 - I don't have that camera so can't address).  Many people have multiple Leica cameras of the current generation, so, if you are right, and Leica decided to provide something so different for colors on the M11, one is certainly left wondering why. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 3 Share #886  Posted January 3 I was just talking to an old friend whom I never knew was colorblind (red primarily). He told me it's much more common in men than women. Guess who GAS over Leicas the most? Maybe we have part of the answer here? 😅 (I think my hypothesis Leica just got it a bit wrong and will never admit it stands though) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymoose Posted January 3 Share #887  Posted January 3 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 19 minutes ago, Corius said: Do you have one friend with 3 Ferraris and one friend with 2 Lamborghinis, or do you have 3 friends with 1 Ferrari, and 2 friends with 1 Lamborghini? It's important to get this right when you're flexing, so that we can estimate your net worth! You're mistaken--the Ferraris and Lamborghinis have friends not the other way around My current net worth is an M11 and a Q2. Both rattle-free. Wait no, the Q2 rattles when off 🤣 Edited January 3 by anonymoose Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 4 Share #888  Posted January 4 On 1/1/2025 at 11:29 PM, M11 for me said: I see very little difference and greenish (!!!) snow in the second one (on a calibrated Apple Studio display). Sorry about this. I think that the DNG ooc image is an excellent base to start with in Lightroom Classic or C1 or whatever. When we start to see magenta behind each stove (hinter jedem Ofen) then of course there is magenta everywhere . . . Magenta is not bad per se 😆 Your images have a magenta cast SOOC - you just haven't trained yourself to see and correct it - a calibrated monitor is a good starting position Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 4 Share #889 Â Posted January 4 On 1/2/2025 at 3:32 AM, lct said: Don't count me in please. I find it as easy to use the eye dropper on jpeg than raw files. Always did it for 20+ years, i'm not sure why it would be less appropriate on jpegs or more complicated. Now i convert my jpegs to tif in the first place but i guess everyone setting WB in post do the same as me. The eye dropper only works with a neutral target - which you're unlikely to find in an image unless you put one there - so really you're back to just guessing WB Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 4 Share #890  Posted January 4 On 1/2/2025 at 5:02 AM, jaapv said: It might have been wise in this case to leave the colour balance as is and correct just the magenta further on in the colour adjustment tools. ACR (like C1)does not provide elaborate colour correction sections for nothing. Global and simplified adjustments are not always a good idea in postprocessing. It was however done to illustrate the point that the OPs images did indeed all have a magenta cast - he just hadn't;t recognized it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 4 Share #891  Posted January 4 On 1/2/2025 at 6:35 AM, jaapv said: Because not everyone sees colours the same way? And people are extremely poor at detecting over-all casts unless they have a direct side by side reference of what it should look like - just staring at an image, without a lot of training and experience, is not a good basis for deciding how good the WB is. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 4 Share #892  Posted January 4 On 1/2/2025 at 6:26 AM, charlesphoto99 said: I can look back on just about any of the 317 M11 pages and see a magenta tint bias in the images, some much stronger than others, but almost all have it, esp those that obviously are sooc or soLR with no adjustments. This is on an uncalibrated MacBook M1 Air, or my calibrated NEC. Really not sure why so many people can't see it. I would say in general it's about a -5 correction that's needed (in LR). People are extremely poor at seeing general casts, without a direct reference of what it should look like to compare against. Plus the majority of shooter have uncalibrated screens, so all bets are off as to how the images look to them on their systems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDodkin Posted January 4 Share #893  Posted January 4 15 hours ago, jaapv said: Assuming it is a technical error. My position is that it may well be a subjective esthetic choice, explaining Leica’s reluctance to change the situation. That brings us back to individual perception. An analogy is that different films show similar variations yet all had their customer base. Where did I say that I liked a magenta tint? I reality I often reduce the amount of magenta in my images or change the hue to match my perception. My point was and is that all cameras show a deviation from my personal preference (or even some arbitrary “objective “ invention) thus I profile them as a matter of routine and I cannot understand why people demand that this step should be omitted by whatever profile in a sidecar file. Leica cannot know my taste nor the way in which I see colour. If it were a Leica choice, then I'd expect the in-camera custom WB option to still show the same bias in tint. Given that they were choosing to do that. Instead we see a calibrated target in-camera WB as neutral, and the AWB as magenta - indicating that the offset is indeed a function of the AWB. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmen Posted January 4 Share #894  Posted January 4 By the way, did you know that we’re approaching the peak of the typical 11 year solar cycle?  That means a shift in daylight towards ultraviolet.  🙈 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted January 4 Share #895  Posted January 4 vor 9 Stunden schrieb CDodkin: Your images have a magenta cast SOOC - you just haven't trained yourself to see and correct it - a calibrated monitor is a good starting position Thank you for that. It is a bit aggressive though. I do not know why you have to switch into that mode. Here its just about magenta not about life or death. Note that the original image was ooc. It had barely magenta cast (which per se is nothing bad at all). Remember that your corrected image with greenish cast was in no way any better. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbyshire Man Posted January 4 Share #896 Â Posted January 4 My dad worked in television, he always set up our colour TV with absolute care so it looked as close to broadcast standard reality as possible. As a kid I was always amazed when I went around to friends houses and the colour & contrast were turned up to 11, 'we've paid for colour and we're damn well going to have it!' I've lost the plot of the discussion now, I think we've established that on AWB it leans towards magenta, some like that 100% of the time, some like it on a per image basis, some hate it 100% of the time. It is possible to correct, especially if a colour/WB card is used. We don't think Leica will change it regardless of how many are in the haters group. Have I missed anything from the last 45 pages? 3 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 4 Share #897 Â Posted January 4 No... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted January 4 Share #898  Posted January 4 On 11/20/2023 at 12:24 AM, DominoGE said: Hello Everyone, I purchased a new Leica M11 a little over a year ago and have been using it with a Leica Summicron 1:2/35 mm ASPH Lens. I’ve observed that all the photos taken with this camera have a slightly purplish tint. Does anyone know what might be causing this coloration in the images? Thank you very much for your insights.  It's the Leica Look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeleElmar135mm Posted January 4 Share #899  Posted January 4 vor 15 Stunden schrieb lct: My knees rattle as well, too bad Leica don't make prostheses, i could complain on the forum 😄 ... the rattle could correct Sir Simon - but do you want really knees with purplish tint? The worst case is, you can't correct it with the correction slider in PS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterGA Posted January 4 Share #900  Posted January 4 In my experience - 'the stinky pinky' rears its ugly head in Fuji GFX as well as the M11. How 'obvious' or even 'odious' depends ( again in my experience ) on the shot circumstances - what the light is bouncing off and it rears its head most obviously in bright higher contrast outdoor shooting condiitons. Sure, everythinmg can be corrected I put up with Fuji pinky until the X2D came out and I tried patience with the M11 for. a full year...if you are prepared to futz enough of course, the definition of 'enough' has a cost that differs from person to person. On a positive note, teh M11 file encourageed me to make my own profiles and presets so I can thank Leica for that - but paying $14K+ here in OZ for that was a costly exercise in futzery. I can honestly say that the M11 in some ways was definately the best digi M Leica has made- but in other ways it wasn't worth the upgrade from M10. Funny ending to story ...the easy lazy cure is convert to B&W - hence the M10M replaced the M11 I get better B&W from that too.😛  2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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