About to buy my first M. (M10,M10R or M11)

[tom0511]

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I would recommend the m10r.

i decided for the m11 but already have the lenses I need/ want.lenses are more important. And the m10r is very good as well.

I wonder one thing: if you do climbing, dont you rather have a camera with af which you can use onehanded?

 

 

 

[RMeier]

vor 8 Minuten schrieb tom0511:

I would recommend the m10r.

i decided for the m11 but already have the lenses I need/ want.lenses are more important. And the m10r is very good as well.

I wonder one thing: if you do climbing, dont you rather have a camera with af which you can use onehanded?

 

 

 

Good Point. If i will do pictures hanging on the wall i guess i will take the Sony with the 21mm Loxia (MF too). But for "easier climbing" I will go with with a Leica I guess. 

 

[M Street Photographer]

@tom0511 You can also do that with an M: is called a zone focus 😁

And in general about the M batteries: Some last longer, but I doubt that the M11 battery lasts 2 weeks with intensive use.

@Musky, The charging cable is important for the M11, as you say, but you also need a solar power plant so that you can charge.

[RMeier]

vor 15 Minuten schrieb Musky:

I’ve never heard of one battery lasting over 2 weeks of shooting. But I don’t want to get into it. I don’t want to be accused of inciting an international incident. I’m already getting too Close  

YMMV. 

No worries I would love to proof that but I guess there is no meta data for that. (right?)

I took about 420 pictures during these 2 weeks but I wasn't shooting everyday. The trip was 2 weeks.. I usually don't shoot if I think there is nothing interesting to shoot  I guess we all do that right....

With one Battery. (no IBIS, no AF, no Continues Shutter, mostly electronic Shutter) it worked out. I charge my Sony only a few times. I can pick it up... take pictures, but her back on the shelf. Pick her up again.. easily 7-10 times without charging in between. As I said I only shoot a couple of pictures.. max 100-200 a day (absolut max). 

Never mind, its not about my sony here. But the battery is really great though.

 

Reto

Edited December 27, 2022 by RMeier

[M Street Photographer]

@RMeier  That's easy to do with the M10 R. The battery should last a good 2 days.

Edited December 27, 2022 by M Street Photographer

[M Street Photographer]

vor 2 Minuten schrieb Musky:

I’ve seen cameras been fried by plugging them into the wall to be used as chargers. I learned the hard way to never use a camera as a charger. I would rather just have a power bank and a small charger inside a camera bag charging a battery while I use another one. No need to be tethered either. 

There are also caps with a solar panel on top 🤭

Edited December 27, 2022 by M Street Photographer

[SrMi]

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16 minutes ago, Musky said:

I’ve seen cameras been fried by plugging them into the wall to be used as chargers. I learned the hard way to never use a camera as a charger. I would rather just have a power bank and a small charger inside a camera bag charging a battery while I use another one. No need to be tethered either. 

Where have you seen it and which camera, cable, and charger was used? I have never seen cameras being fried because of in-camera charging, but I would never connect my camera to an unknown charger.

[M Street Photographer]

It is always a question of whether they are original batteries, the original charging part and the original charging cable.
Even if the charging part or the battery is defective, overcharging can occur, regardless of whether it is original or from a third-party manufacturer.
If it happens with third-party manufacturers, the guarantee expires, if it happens with original parts, a desperate search is made to see whether the end user has made a mistake.
From that point of view everything is pointless and we as practitioners agree that we carry at least one spare battery with us. And the majority of users charge the battery outside of the camera (exceptions prove the rule).
Even if you have to charge several batteries, we have third-party chargers in which we can charge 2 - 4 batteries at the same time.

Regardless of our M stories, Sony batteries last a very long time (on my R IV I take about 1,400 photos with one battery), but they have one major disadvantage: the self-discharge is very high in the camera, as well as outside. And I don't have that with Leica batteries.

[SrMi]

8 minutes ago, Musky said:

That’s the thing. Not like the regular user buys Leica, but people don’t know anything. They see the camera has a port and they’ll plug it into their iPad or MacBook power brick and fry the camera. 

I doubt that an Apple charger can fry anything.

Many manufacturers have stopped including battery chargers and expect the owners to charge the battery in the camera. One can always be paranoid about it.

[tom0511]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb M Street Photographer:

@tom0511 You can also do that with an M: is called a zone focus 😁

And in general about the M batteries: Some last longer, but I doubt that the M11 battery lasts 2 weeks with intensive use.

@Musky, The charging cable is important for the M11, as you say, but you also need a solar power plant so that you can charge.

Still need 2 hands, even for zone focus with all its inaccurancies.

[sometimesmaybe]

6 hours ago, jaapv said:

I wonder about people who advocate USB charging over carrying a spare battery which is about the same encumbrance as a bar of chocolate- If you are out shooting it is not just the number of images. Just forget to switch the camera off before putting it into the bag causing it to activate and drain itself, for instance.
When out somewhere with an empty camera where are you going to find an USB outlet and are you going to wait for a couple of hours? 

the real benefit of USB charging is the ability to carry just 1 GAN charger (or a fast charge powerbank) for the mobile, laptop and Leica

i always take spare batteries on shoots, but depending whether the m11 has fast charging, the wait might not be too bad if you carry a good powerbank (which can charge all your devices while trekking)

[M Street Photographer]

vor einer Stunde schrieb tom0511:

Still need 2 hands, even for zone focus with all its inaccurancies.

I think everyone has their experience with focusing. Mine are also positive, for more than 10 years, including street photography. It is also not a problem for hyperfocal landscapes once the "correct" settings have been made.
The accuracy of the scale of Leica lenses is already very reliable.
The only thing I need for one-handed use is a thumbsup for better stability.
But any way he likes.

[Adam Bonn]

To be honest... there's no wrong answer here.

I think you made your mind up about 29 posts ago, but here we are still giving advice... yeah we do that here, welcome to the forum

Firstly, there's a lot more things that the M10/R/11 have in common than they have apart. Similar form factor, similar usage methodology, similar ways of focusing.

So next it becomes about splitting the hairs... and deciding just how much extra you want to spend...

For me... I upgraded from the M10 to the M10R. The M11 was an option... but in my market it was a significantly larger amount of money, and the fact that coming from the M10 meant that I already had the spare battery, the EVF, the case, the grip and I didn't fancy to buy that all again.

It might (not) surprise you to learn that when the M10 landed folks would arrive to this hallowed forum and ask Hey guys I want a Leica M, the M10 seems great but the M240 seems good too and it's so much cheaper

And the opinion was often well the M10 is new and it has some issues, but the 240 is all sorted and bullet proof and cheaper

Well, the 240 didn't start off as bullet proof... and now the M10 is regarded as bullet proof... 

So this thing with the M11 and reliability... well it is a thing, just not a new thing but it won't be a thing forever..

The M9 had a fairly weedy battery, not Fuji X-Pro1 (or even Snoop Dogg) weedy but pretty weedy, then the M240 had a mahoosive battery, then the M10 had a more weedy battery than the 240 (but better than the M9) - but we forgave the M10 cos it was all thin and svelte compared to the preceding digital Ms, now the M11 has the thin form factor AND the mahoosive battery (I know right, what a time to be alive?) - that said all though the history of digital it's always been advisable to own a spare battery, because whether your battery is CIPA rated 50 or 50,000 shots you know that the mother******'s going to run out at the most annoying moment so you carry a spare.

The M11 also enjoys other wonders of this digital age... the variable resolution, off sensor metering, highlight weighted metering.. .

One the one hand, you'll know if you need this shizzle or not... but in another far more realistic way

You won't care... this will be your first digital M. Which ever you chose you'll either love it or hate it, probably you'll know quicker than a speed dater if the M is the digital for you...

IMHO I would say the M10R is the sweet spot of IQ, features and a nicely depreciated product to take a lot of the sting out of the new prices... but to be honest... there's no wrong answer here.

Oh and the voigtlander 35mm 1.7 Ultron is a very nice lens! (but with looks only a mother could love)

 

 

[SrMi]

30 minutes ago, Musky said:

I’m just telling you what happened. He found an iPad charger. Plugged it in. Camera fried. I did him the favor of taking it to the sony store myself for repair. I even remember it was one of these guys 

 

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That occurred likely because he used a third-party battery.

[jakontil]

8 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said:

Or an 'extra' hundred rolls. Of 120. The good ol' days....

What bugging me now is asking nicely for a hand checking, from where i live, they will be scratching their heads

[jaapv]

21 hours ago, SrMi said:

Where have you seen it and which camera, cable, and charger was used? I have never seen cameras being fried because of in-camera charging, but I would never connect my camera to an unknown charger.

It is virtually impossible to do so. Only if you manage to connect laptop charger- but you would have to turn it into a Frankencharger by changing the plug to USB. 

[jaapv]

21 hours ago, SrMi said:

Where have you seen it and which camera, cable, and charger was used? I have never seen cameras being fried because of in-camera charging, but I would never connect my camera to an unknown charger.

It is virtually impossible to do so. Only if you manage to connect laptop charger- but you would have to turn it into a Frankencharger by changing the plug to USB. 

[Herr Barnack]

After reading this thread, https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/357248-m11-freeze-issues-merged/ my choice would be the M10R. 

 

[Jeff S]

2 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said:

After reading this thread, https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/357248-m11-freeze-issues-merged/ my choice would be the M10R. 

 

If finding a concerning thread is the basis, one can do that for each and every digital M..

That said, my M10-R and M10M have worked without issue.

Jeff

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[Herr Barnack]

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