Photoworks Posted January 25, 2022 Share #81 Posted January 25, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) I did a bracket exposure test at 6400 iso in Large DNG, 3 frames. the camera FREEZES on the 3rd frame... I had to turn camera off. no button was working anymore... happened 3 times in a row.... I didn't aspect been a beta tester on M11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SrMi Posted January 25, 2022 Share #82 Posted January 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Photoworks said: I did a bracket exposure test at 6400 iso in Large DNG, 3 frames. the camera FREEZES on the 3rd frame... I had to turn camera off. no button was working anymore... happened 3 times in a row.... I didn't aspect been a beta tester on M11 What were your exposure and bracketing settings? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted January 25, 2022 Share #83 Posted January 25, 2022 50 minutes ago, SrMi said: What were your exposure and bracketing settings? 6400 iso , 1/40s, f8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oka Posted January 27, 2022 Share #84 Posted January 27, 2022 On 1/18/2022 at 8:04 PM, mrmalo said: Has anybody else experienced something like this? It has happened to me once… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkscientist Posted January 31, 2022 Share #85 Posted January 31, 2022 It's happened to me a few times and my camera has had the firmware update too. In my case I know it happens when using live view. Here's a video... https://share.icloud.com/photos/0a424eLl-M_qVPoEOT6juVm5g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meisyong Posted January 31, 2022 Share #86 Posted January 31, 2022 Happened to me. Exchanged the camera and happened to the second camera as well. I had it refunded. Both ‘defective’ cameras have been sent to Wetzler and tested by Leica team. I sent them the video too. I will get an update on what’s causing the problems, hopefully. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkscientist Posted January 31, 2022 Share #87 Posted January 31, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 minutes ago, Meisyong said: Happened to me. Exchanged the camera and happened to the second camera as well. I had it refunded. Both ‘defective’ cameras have been sent to Wetzler and tested by Leica team. I sent them the video too. I will get an update on what’s causing the problems, hopefully. Where did you get your camera from? wonder if it's defective batch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meisyong Posted January 31, 2022 Share #88 Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, thinkscientist said: Where did you get your camera from? wonder if it's defective batch Leica boutique. I still have faith in Leica (haha).. I doubt it’s a defective batch. Probably just me being unlucky or the way I used it that triggers the freeze. I have described in detail when the freeze happened + video so hope that will facilitate the investigation Edited January 31, 2022 by Meisyong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkscientist Posted January 31, 2022 Share #89 Posted January 31, 2022 45 minutes ago, Meisyong said: Leica boutique. I still have faith in Leica (haha).. I doubt it’s a defective batch. Probably just me being unlucky or the way I used it that triggers the freeze. I have described in detail when the freeze happened + video so hope that will facilitate the investigation So no more M11? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meisyong Posted January 31, 2022 Share #90 Posted January 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, thinkscientist said: So no more M11? I will. The store manager advised me to get it after the technicians has solved the issue. Hence, my earlier post about hoping to hear from them soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktor Samokhin Posted January 31, 2022 Share #91 Posted January 31, 2022 The same issue with mine. I catch freezes using different uncoded lenses, will check whether this reproducible with a coded lens too. The camera also often loses connection with laptop when transferring photos to Lightroom using USB/PTP. It's like after three photos out of ten, it stops transferring until power off-on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcinus Posted February 4, 2022 Share #92 Posted February 4, 2022 Not a lock-up per se, but can look like one and i don't think it's been mentioned... Apparently, if you set the exposure dial mid-way between two discrete settings, it will default to a very slow shutter speed / long exposure. I guess Leica's legendary attention to detail and precision does not include safe-guarding encoder wheel readouts with state machines (or at least a check for previous value). Have not experienced myself as i'm *still* waiting for my M11, but seen / demonstrated here at 5m35s: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 4, 2022 Share #93 Posted February 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, orcinus said: Not a lock-up per se, but can look like one and i don't think it's been mentioned... Apparently, if you set the exposure dial mid-way between two discrete settings, it will default to a very slow shutter speed / long exposure. I guess Leica's legendary attention to detail and precision does not include safe-guarding encoder wheel readouts with state machines (or at least a check for previous value). Have not experienced myself as i'm *still* waiting for my M11, but seen / demonstrated here at 5m35s: I cannot reproduce it. It is really hard to set shutter speed between the 1/1000 and 1/1500 sec :). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcinus Posted February 5, 2022 Share #94 Posted February 5, 2022 2 hours ago, SrMi said: I cannot reproduce it. It is really hard to set shutter speed between the 1/1000 and 1/1500 sec :). Likely a similar deal as with buttons - some cameras are bouncier / noisier, some less so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikepic Posted February 7, 2022 Share #95 Posted February 7, 2022 On 1/25/2022 at 5:56 AM, Photoworks said: I did a bracket exposure test at 6400 iso in Large DNG, 3 frames. the camera FREEZES on the 3rd frame... I had to turn camera off. no button was working anymore... happened 3 times in a row.... I didn't aspect been a beta tester on M11 I have this exact same issue. I tried bracket exposure yesterday and the M11 has frozen multiple times on me. I remove the battery and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. After a couple moments of reinserting the battery it finally fires up again, only to have the same issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted February 8, 2022 Share #96 Posted February 8, 2022 On 1/25/2022 at 8:56 AM, Photoworks said: I did a bracket exposure test at 6400 iso in Large DNG, 3 frames. the camera FREEZES on the 3rd frame... I had to turn camera off. no button was working anymore... happened 3 times in a row.... I didn't aspect been a beta tester on M11 3 hours ago, bikepic said: I have this exact same issue. I tried bracket exposure yesterday and the M11 has frozen multiple times on me. I remove the battery and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. After a couple moments of reinserting the battery it finally fires up again, only to have the same issue. I( haven't managed to reproduce this one. I've tried 3-step and 5-step brackets, matrix metering, center-weighted metering, using M11, 50/2 APO set at f/8, ISO 640 and both fixed speed (1/60) and speed set by the meter to give a starting point. It hasn't hung up yet, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted February 8, 2022 Share #97 Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) There are some strange things that happen with the bracketing program when the shutter speeds that you are exploring are low. I set up a 5-stop bracket at ISO 400, indoors at f/2 and got exposures of 1/350, 1/180, 1/90, 1/45, and 1/25, each one stop apart, as you would expect. When I ran a 5-stop bracket at ISO 64, the speeds the camera provided were 1/12, 1/10, 1/6, 1/2 and 4/5 seconds. Not evenly spaced, and not even covering 5 stops of range. This looks like an algorithm misbehaving when it has to use fixed point arithmetic to calculate its shutter speeds. It's worth reporting but may not bother enough people to get very high on the priority list Does anyone else see this and do you con=sider it important? Edited February 8, 2022 by scott kirkpatrick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcinus Posted February 8, 2022 Share #98 Posted February 8, 2022 3 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said: got exposures of 1/350, 1/280, 2/90, 2/45, and 12/25, each one stop apart That does not look like 1 stop apart either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted February 8, 2022 Share #99 Posted February 8, 2022 2 hours ago, orcinus said: That does not look like 1 stop apart either. I think he means 1/180 instead of 1/280 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted February 8, 2022 Share #100 Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Daedalus2000 said: I think he means 1/180 instead of 1/280 correct. I mistyped the case that worked right. Corrected now. One thought that I had as I find out what new things the M11 can do is that many of them result from Leica's shoehorning an SL2/Maestro III engine into the M chassis. Great for acceleration but may lead to somewhat rough handling (car analogy). I think I'll go grab an SL2 and compare. It also offers 3 or 5 stop brackets, and as in my example, confines itself to the mechanically selectable shutter speeds. Edit: I can't reproduce this, so I'll worry about other things.until someone else has a problem in this area. Edited February 9, 2022 by scott kirkpatrick 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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