Adam Bonn Posted January 7, 2023 Share #641 Posted January 7, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, jdlaing said: I don’t think it is a range finding tool as it does not report accurate distance to you. Leica makes range finding tools. Leica Geosystems. Fairly sure that a Leica M11 is known as a rangefinder camera by the people that make it https://leica-camera.com/en-int/photography/m Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! so that would be a yes then! No one’s saying you have to think of the M as a rangefinder of course. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! so that would be a yes then! No one’s saying you have to think of the M as a rangefinder of course. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/357248-m11-freeze-issues-merged/?do=findComment&comment=4631647'>More sharing options...
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jakontil Posted January 7, 2023 Share #642 Posted January 7, 2023 28 minutes ago, Adam Bonn said: Fairly sure that a Leica M11 is known as a rangefinder camera by the people that make it https://leica-camera.com/en-int/photography/m Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! so that would be a yes then! No one’s saying you have to think of the M as a rangefinder of course. The best invention in photography 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Bonn Posted January 7, 2023 Share #643 Posted January 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Kiwimac said: To be fair, there aren’t many cameras you can pick up and use these days with no experience that's exactly my point. Buy a luxury watch or handbag or shoes or suit and as long as you've ever worn non-luxury watches, shoes, suits or carried a bag then there's nothing to learn Buy a camera and it's a tool that you have to learn This is the difference between the 'Rolex' etc and the Leica. One buys the Rolex (and I do own one) with very little intention or going diving with it (ok ok ok 'very little' because someone here's bound to have done some recreational scuba diving with one, always an exception) - but like f**k is any professional sat diver using solely a luxury dive watch to stay alive welding oil rings 150 meters under the sea or using the GMT and a sextant to get that passenger jet to the airport... plus auto watches generally keep worse time than quartz watches... so this I expect my Leica to be like my Rolex narrative.... bollocks. One expects one's luxury goods to be luxury goods and one doesn't really care about the accuracy, the 300m water resistance, etc But one expects one's camera to work like a camera and use it hard enough to find every little flaw that it has... and if one's being paid then it has to get the job done... Don't get that pressure with a Louis Vuitton handbag 😂 Cameras get used (limited editions aside I suppose... but then again it's not being bought to be used) and are sold as tools on the premise they perform. Luxury goods sell on the cachet of the brand, particularly from a time when you did need a reliable watch to make a living diving or flying a plane And that's why a Leica is not like a Rolex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 7, 2023 Share #644 Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Adam Bonn said: Fairly sure that a Leica M11 is known as a rangefinder camera by the people that make it https://leica-camera.com/en-int/photography/m Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! so that would be a yes then! No one’s saying you have to think of the M as a rangefinder of course. A rangefinder camera and a range finding tool are two different things. I use both. 😃 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 7, 2023 Share #645 Posted January 7, 2023 And cue high end sports car pissing match in 1,2,3… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 7, 2023 Share #646 Posted January 7, 2023 I have nothing against Rolex watches i have 3 of them but comparing them to a Leica is like comparing a Stradivari to a Baroque commode. There is one thing that can do art and the other that cannot. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvolio Posted January 7, 2023 Share #647 Posted January 7, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Tedious thread 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Bonn Posted January 7, 2023 Share #648 Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, kingmtii said: lol these try hard posts... We're all super impressed you own a sub. just kidding. you mentioned the gears or whatnot in an earlier post. have you ever seen the inside of your sub? ever taken the caseback off? That point remains moot as majority of Rolex owners will never see the inside of their watches. FWIW I have a collection & built my 1665 great white sea-dweller from parts I sourced from all over the world. Got the movement from a 1500, that lived inside a safe in Atlanta so it was practically new. crystal retaining ring from Austria, bezel and insert from switzerland, case from california, crystal from michigan, crown from new orleans, dial and hands from spain and bracelet+endlinks from california. I did the movement swap and then regulated it on my timegrapher with a microstella wrench, you know what that is right? I also pressure tested it at home and have taken it diving many times. All of your arguments hold no water from my perspective. My sentiments remain on leica being much like a rolex. Leica = Expensive but High Quality Picture Taker ; Rolex = Expensive but High Quality Timepiece. Both are very simple. they do one thing very well in their category. That was the whole point the one guy had made. I don't know why you're trying to let everyone know you own a sub. But I do happen to be an expert on the subject. Submariners retail for the same price as a M11...so the fact that you've written a small novel about owning something everyone here can also grab is kind of baffling. It's almost offensive Confusing the brand strictly with a submariner and designating Rolex as a dive watch brand is also odd. Btw even datejusts and gmt's are safe enough to swim in. Lastly, I'm willing to bet your model # is 116610LN. I hope I'm wrong. I probably passed 12 people wearing one on my way home today... I came here to see what's going on with M11s as mine freezes up randomly, didn't expect to meet Hans Wilsdorf reincarnate. I guess you're trying to get your post count up? Hello 2 post person This isn’t TRF maybe spend some time here, get to know folks, share some photos, find your way around Edited January 7, 2023 by Adam Bonn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2023 Share #649 Posted January 7, 2023 Rolex updated their most popular movements a couple of years ago to the 32XX series. The forums are full of people having problems with them, although they are working fine for the majority. People are sending their watches back to Rolex to get them fixed, but Rolex hasn't said what the problem is. The turnover time to get your watch repaired is in the order of two or three months (sounds familiar?) It seems that problem is solved with more recently manufactured watches so Rolex has made some changes but haven't said what they are. Leica is not unique! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Bonn Posted January 7, 2023 Share #650 Posted January 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Corius said: Rolex updated their most popular movements a couple of years ago to the 32XX series. The forums are full of people having problems with them, although they are working fine for the majority. People are sending their watches back to Rolex to get them fixed, but Rolex hasn't said what the problem is. The turnover time to get your watch repaired is in the order of two or three months (sounds familiar?) It seems that problem is solved with more recently manufactured watches so Rolex has made some changes but haven't said what they are. Leica is not unique! iirc Omega had problems with their first implementation of the coaxial escapement too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 7, 2023 Share #651 Posted January 7, 2023 Ok , cameras please 🥹 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 7, 2023 Share #652 Posted January 7, 2023 31 minutes ago, jaapv said: Ok , cameras please 🥹 Yes, and please no cars, neither 😉. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fededuran Posted January 7, 2023 Share #653 Posted January 7, 2023 Three weeks with the M11 and three times it froze up. Last firmware installed. I don't know if this is too much or other users have the same "rate". If not, I will have to send the camera back. PS: removing the battery works well when that happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 7, 2023 Share #654 Posted January 7, 2023 If you have old user profiles you may wish to update them under firmware 1.6.0.0. Did work for me as my M11 did not freeze since then. Also you may wish to avoid Sony Tough cards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted January 7, 2023 Share #655 Posted January 7, 2023 11 hours ago, Adam Bonn said: iirc Omega had problems with their first implementation of the coaxial escapement too. Reminds me that my Seamaster needs fixing…. damn thing IS like a Leica, lol. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpark114 Posted January 8, 2023 Share #656 Posted January 8, 2023 From time to time, I have to take out the battery then re-insert it in order to get out of a lock-up. Although this is much improved compared to pre 1.6, it's still there. I have tried many memory cards, including Sandisk UHS-I and II, and to me, II with 300 speed is the least problematic one. Based on my observation, the problem often occurs whenever I try to operate the cameray(push button, turn dial etc) while the red led lamp(indicating writing to memory) is lit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandall Posted January 8, 2023 Share #657 Posted January 8, 2023 I have had several freezes after 1.6. I may have fixed issue by resetting camera after upgrade. Don’t know if that’s been tried by others but I am curious. I also removed sd card and directed files to internal memory. It’s only been a few days with no freezes but looks promising or maybe just a coincidence. I have not created profile either which I had done when it froze before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qlan Posted January 8, 2023 Share #658 Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, brandall said: I have had several freezes after 1.6. I may have fixed issue by resetting camera after upgrade. Don’t know if that’s been tried by others but I am curious. I also removed sd card and directed files to internal memory. It’s only been a few days with no freezes but looks promising or maybe just a coincidence. I have not created profile either which I had done when it froze before. I reset my settings after 1.6 and still got as many freezes as before. Sent the M11 back to my dealer, will get a new one in about 10 days. Really hoping the new one will be better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandall Posted January 8, 2023 Share #659 Posted January 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Qlan said: I reset my settings after 1.6 and still got as many freezes as before. Sent the M11 back to my dealer, will get a new one in about 10 days. Really hoping the new one will be better. I’m going to add new profile, change lens, add sd card and so on and see if I can cause it to freeze again after each one of those steps. Sorry about your issue and return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qlan Posted January 8, 2023 Share #660 Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, brandall said: I’m going to add new profile, change lens, add sd card and so on and see if I can cause it to freeze again after each one of those steps. Sorry about your issue and return. The issue is not easy to reproduce perfectly. Sure, if you spent days and weeks between each step, maybe you can narrow down some hypothesis but otherwise just enjoy the camera and don’t bother trying to create the freezes. You may not get any for a few weeks. In my case, I change lenses maybe 3-5 times a day and turn the camera on and off maybe 25-40 times during a full shooting day (both are non Leica lenses) and the camera freezes about 1-3 times a day, and they all happen during startup, and more often after changing a lens than not. Edited January 8, 2023 by Qlan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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