andrew01 Posted October 3, 2022 Share #441  Posted October 3, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, Jeremy Bunting said: What possible new features could be added to a film camera? Also, is the light meter in the M6 any good? I'm using an M2 with a KEKS KM02, which allows me to set aperture or shutter priority and gives me a recommended setting for the other, versus making me fiddle with both until I get a green light. I'm not sure what Leica could add that would tempt me, besides maybe faster shutter speeds. The M6 meter is superb.  Semi spot so you know exactly what you are metering.  Two LED arrows that have uneven brightness if you are half a stop off. Super intuitive to use and minimal clutter in the finder. It doesn’t get any better. However theres no way I would swap a Wetzlar Leica for an M6, you need both :). I don’t think the new M6 reissue will have any new features, thats not Leica's thing and I wouldn’t want it any other way.  A faster shutter would require a re design of the shutter which is intentionally designed with low spring tension and therefore slower drum speed to provide long term speed stability and easy serviceability.  The fastest you can get with a horizontally traveling shutter is 1/2000 so only one stop difference but it causes other design compromises.  Vertical metal bladed shutters that provide speeds up to 1/4000 are generally not serviceable to the same extent as a horizontal roller blind shutter. I think the M6 reissue will be priced no lower than $200 cheaper than an MP.  Dreams of a ‘cheap’ new Leica M camera won’t come true.  If I was looking to buy another M camera in todays market it would be an M2 or M3.  2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Anbaric Posted October 3, 2022 Share #442  Posted October 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Jeremy Bunting said: What possible new features could be added to a film camera? Quite a few, but it seems unlikely any of them will be again. It turns out the past was more advanced after all. 🙂 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 hours ago, Jeremy Bunting said: Also, is the light meter in the M6 any good? I'm using an M2 with a KEKS KM02, which allows me to set aperture or shutter priority and gives me a recommended setting for the other, versus making me fiddle with both until I get a green light. I'm not sure what Leica could add that would tempt me, besides maybe faster shutter speeds. Well, it's a good meter in that it's predictable and accurate. But with the original M6 you don't even get a green light, you have to match the brightness of two red lights. The M6-TTL adds another one in the middle like the MP, an arrangement that might well be retained in any M6 sequel. When you get used to it even the M6 Classic is very easy to use, and certainly quicker than an uncoupled meter. Most M6 shooters won't be starting at random positions on the dials; they'll have some idea of the correct exposure from experience, probably to within a stop or two, and will just use the meter to fine-tune the shutter speed or aperture. 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Well, it's a good meter in that it's predictable and accurate. But with the original M6 you don't even get a green light, you have to match the brightness of two red lights. The M6-TTL adds another one in the middle like the MP, an arrangement that might well be retained in any M6 sequel. When you get used to it even the M6 Classic is very easy to use, and certainly quicker than an uncoupled meter. Most M6 shooters won't be starting at random positions on the dials; they'll have some idea of the correct exposure from experience, probably to within a stop or two, and will just use the meter to fine-tune the shutter speed or aperture. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/336216-new-leica-m6-film-camera/?do=findComment&comment=4523705'>More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 3, 2022 Share #443  Posted October 3, 2022 47 minutes ago, Anbaric said: Quite a few, but it seems unlikely any of them will be again. It turns out the past was more advanced after all. 🙂 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Well, it's a good meter in that it's predictable and accurate. But with the original M6 you don't even get a green light, you have to match the brightness of two red lights. The M6-TTL adds another one in the middle like the MP, an arrangement that might well be retained in any M6 sequel. When you get used to it even the M6 Classic is very easy to use, and certainly quicker than an uncoupled meter. Most M6 shooters won't be starting at random positions on the dials; they'll have some idea of the correct exposure from experience, probably to within a stop or two, and will just use the meter to fine-tune the shutter speed or aperture. Yeah, the meter in the MP and M6ttl takes the M6 and improves on it with the extra led dot. instead of trying to match the intensity of two arrows, you just use the single dot.  Either way,  none match the info given the the M5’s viewfinder display!  Not only does it also show shutter speed, but how far you are away from the correct reading by up to four stops! As you mention, once you start to use a manual exposure camera you quite quickly get to the ball park exposure area before camera comes to eye, and then adjust as needed 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotoklaus Posted October 4, 2022 Share #444  Posted October 4, 2022 vor 7 Stunden schrieb Anbaric: Quite a few, but it seems unlikely any of them will be again. It turns out the past was more advanced after all. 🙂 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Well, it's a good meter in that it's predictable and accurate. But with the original M6 you don't even get a green light, you have to match the brightness of two red lights. The M6-TTL adds another one in the middle like the MP, an arrangement that might well be retained in any M6 sequel. When you get used to it even the M6 Classic is very easy to use, and certainly quicker than an uncoupled meter. Most M6 shooters won't be starting at random positions on the dials; they'll have some idea of the correct exposure from experience, probably to within a stop or two, and will just use the meter to fine-tune the shutter speed or aperture. I think since the superfast 45 field, Eye-controlled Autofocus-system of the Canon EOS 3 there was no real improvement anymore in film cameras. I had one of those beasts. Nothing came close in speed used with USM- Lenses. Even the digital SLR- bodies had not such an advanced system. It is so funny that we talk about a middle LED for a simple light meter meter as a huge improvement 🙂 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted October 4, 2022 Share #445 Â Posted October 4, 2022 Same with the Mamiya 7. The Hipstagram hype has caused used prices to skyrocket. Although the lenses are great, the camera itself is only mediocre... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfyl Posted October 4, 2022 Share #446  Posted October 4, 2022 Below is my thought: MP is almost same as M6 but with latest electronics M-A is same as MP but without electronics New film M will be same as M6 but market it as new M All above cameras are same but market differently However the QC and craftsmanship may not be good as old Leica 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted October 4, 2022 Share #447  Posted October 4, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, verwackelt said: Same with the Mamiya 7. The Hipstagram hype has caused used prices to skyrocket. Although the lenses are great, the camera itself is only mediocre... Too overhyped.. i thought i wanted one to try, after scouting the market, oh well.. mediocre indeed im amazed the power of influencer.. that’s what they called Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 4, 2022 Share #448  Posted October 4, 2022 39 minutes ago, jakontil said: Too overhyped.. i thought i wanted one to try, after scouting the market, oh well.. mediocre indeed im amazed the power of influencer.. that’s what they called Yeah while optically very nice, the build quality is just so plasticky and lacking compared to Hasselblads or Rolleiflexes. The thing is, pretty much every mf camera I have tried has had great lenses.  Perhaps it also has something to do w the big hunk o film! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted October 4, 2022 Share #449  Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Huss said: Yeah while optically very nice, the build quality is just so plasticky I've flirted with picking up a Fuji 6x9 but its plasticky body is also a turn off. I'll stick with my Hasselblad 500 C/M, although the Plaubel Makina 67 has piqued my interest... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted October 4, 2022 Share #450 Â Posted October 4, 2022 Take the fujica G690BL. It's solid metal and has interchangeable lenses. And you don't have to limit yourself to the square format of the Hasselblad but have the Leica ratio 3:2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share #451  Posted October 4, 2022 8 hours ago, verwackelt said: Same with the Mamiya 7. The Hipstagram hype has caused used prices to skyrocket. Although the lenses are great, the camera itself is only mediocre... Hmm.. I own way too many cameras. The Mamiya 7 is, as a camera body, my very favorite. The lenses are great, but sometimes too clinically sharp for me. If only I could have a Mamiya 7 with Zeiss glass....So, no, i don't think, relative to other cameras it's overpriced. Not when a Plaubel Makina 67 with a fixed lens is ~2$k+....  3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share #452  Posted October 4, 2022 26 minutes ago, logan2z said: I've flirted with picking up a Fuji 6x9 but its plasticky body is also a turn off. I'll stick with my Hasselblad 500 C/M, although the Plaubel Makina 67 has piqued my interest... The Fuji is a fun camera. And the plastic isn't a problem for me. It just reminds me it's a weatherbeater. And pulling postcard size negatives out of the soup is a real pleasure! Under some conditions, the lens is amazingly sharp. I bought it very cheap, but if you have mad money, the 65mm one is a terrific landscape camera. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 4, 2022 Share #453  Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, logan2z said: I've flirted with picking up a Fuji 6x9 but its plasticky body is also a turn off. I'll stick with my Hasselblad 500 C/M, although the Plaubel Makina 67 has piqued my interest... I recently sold my Fuji GW 690III. Great results but just not enjoyable to use.  And mine had a perchance for fat rolling the film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colint544 Posted October 4, 2022 Share #454  Posted October 4, 2022 4 hours ago, bags27 said: Hmm.. I own way too many cameras. The Mamiya 7 is, as a camera body, my very favorite. The lenses are great, but sometimes too clinically sharp for me. If only I could have a Mamiya 7 with Zeiss glass....So, no, i don't think, relative to other cameras it's overpriced. Not when a Plaubel Makina 67 with a fixed lens is ~2$k+....  But what a fixed lens. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted October 5, 2022 Share #455 Â Posted October 5, 2022 10 hours ago, Huss said: Yeah while optically very nice, the build quality is just so plasticky and lacking compared to Hasselblads or Rolleiflexes. The thing is, pretty much every mf camera I have tried has had great lenses. Â Perhaps it also has something to do w the big hunk o film! Exactly, im sticking with hasselblad for medfor while waiting on the market for rolleiflex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share #456 Â Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, jakontil said: Exactly, im sticking with hasselblad for medfor while waiting on the market for rolleiflex The problem with waiting on the market for the Rolleiflex is that, while prices might weaken a bit with the economy, the number of working cameras will inevitably decrease as well. If one can live with a fixed lens, I think it's the perfect camera. Like a shark, it is designed for one thing and does it perfectly. Plus, people stop you on the sidewalk to admire it. I'm looking at a late f/3.5 Xenotar right now, and doing everything to resist! Edited October 5, 2022 by bags27 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyp82 Posted October 5, 2022 Share #457  Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) I had a Mamiya 7ii for a while, loved the output. Super sharp, very compact for a medium format camera. However the body felt like a toy, very fragile, as it cost so much I was constantly worried the slightest knock would crack part of the aged plastic case and remove £500 of value! I sold it out of fear.  Edit-also it had the least satisfying shutter click ever! Edited October 5, 2022 by Jimmyp82 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotoklaus Posted October 5, 2022 Share #458  Posted October 5, 2022 I owned a Plaubel Makina 67 and also a Fuji GW 690 III. Both great cameras, the Plaubel has been serviced back then at Plaubel Frankfurt, so no issues with broken cables. The Body was very solid, the lens aboslutely perfect. But I never really liked the 6x7 format so I sold it. The Fuji was easy to use and felt like a big Leica. But I hardly used it and sold it also. I stick with my Rolleiflexes and 6x6 Format. They are the best compromise between image quality, size and weight. And I like the 6x6 format very much. The Schneider Xenar of the Rolleicord Vb is also an exellent lens. A well adjusted Vb is everything you need, as most of the lightmeters of the "better" models don´t work properly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted October 5, 2022 Share #459  Posted October 5, 2022 vor 13 Stunden schrieb bags27: Hmm.. I own way too many cameras. The Mamiya 7 is, as a camera body, my very favorite. The lenses are great, but sometimes too clinically sharp for me. If only I could have a Mamiya 7 with Zeiss glass....So, no, i don't think, relative to other cameras it's overpriced. Not when a Plaubel Makina 67 with a fixed lens is ~2$k+....  Yes Plaubel is very expensive too. MArket in europe and the US is sometimes different too. I bought my Mamiya7 in about 2000 new and got it replaced soon within warranty time because of its light leaks. The new i got had a broken counter soon. I made great pictures with it but with a tape on the back where i had to list the taken shots. I had it repaired again but was not very lucky then. Great pictures but a bit unreliable. For what i paid for a new camera and what it is asked now used it is too much for me. I sold it as i need some cash 10-12 years ago for much less i could get today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted October 5, 2022 Share #460  Posted October 5, 2022 2 hours ago, bags27 said: The problem with waiting on the market for the Rolleiflex is that, while prices might weaken a bit with the economy, the number of working cameras will inevitably decrease as well. If one can live with a fixed lens, I think it's the perfect camera. Like a shark, it is designed for one thing and does it perfectly. Plus, people stop you on the sidewalk to admire it. I'm looking at a late f/3.5 Xenotar right now, and doing everything to resist! You are so right on this, i had the chance with 2.8Gx was in perfect and mint conditions, but i took a little too long now it’s gone, i m always a one lens man despite having variety well im tempted with some limited editions M6 like dragon, while piling up the budget, i might as well wait for the announcement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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