LEGEND Posted May 26, 2022 Share #41 Posted May 26, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) I also installed new firmware v1.4.0.0 the moment it came out. Perhaps it was a mistake but now is to late to complain... Any way I think now the M11 work a little bit better than before FW update. Some thing did improved and some did't... I find that a highlight weighted metering works more reliable but not much. I don't use exposure metering method often so I can't tell... I made a large shutter test and have shoot few hundred photos for that. The camera start up time is the same as before with my large SD cards that I used before the FW update. I have two 128Gb Kingston Canvas 300MB/s SDXC v90 and five 64Gb Lexar Professional 150MB/s SDXC v60 for my M11... I also tested 64Gb inside memory... The test showed me that with Kingston 128Gb when I shoot Single I can menage to take a shoot one by one but after some time I still get some “hick-up“... The same with Lexar 64Gb... Inside 64Gb memory had no such problems... This is with Auto review set to Shutter button pressed or to Off. I find that Auto review set to Off is better somehow so I have it always on Off setting... The setting for the test are: ISO 200 , 1/1000sec, all manual ... The continuous shooting with Kinstone 128Gb: L-DNG - L fps = 12 frames - H fps = 12 frames M-DNG - L fps = 16 frames - H fps = 12 frames S-DNG - L fps = 16 frames - H fps = 16 frames The continuous shooting with Lexar 64Gb: L-DNG - L fps = 15 frames - H fps = 15 frames M-DNG - L fps = did't slowed down - H fps = 16 frames S-DNG - L fps = did't slowed down - H fps = did't slowed down The continuous shooting on 64Gb inside memory: L-DNG - L fps = did't slowed down so I stoped - H fps = 17 frames M-DNG - L fps = did't slowed down - H fps = did't slowed down S-DNG - L fps = did't slowed down - H fps = did't slowed down This test is not 100% exact because I don't have equipment for that. I also reseted the camera after the FW update and it worked much better... What is found here that is that it depend on the SD card how the shutter works. How many frames you can take before it slows down. As you see on the test that I performed there is not much difference between 128Gb Kingston Canvas 300MB/s SDXC v90 and 64Gb Lexar Professional 150MB/s SDXC v60. But why on M-DNG and on M and H fps the Lexar performed better than Kingstone that is faster and better? Also what I noticed is that when you delete the photos from the card the 128Gb Kingstone need few sec. for perhaps 15 frames. The 64Gb Lexar need ca. half for the same amount of photos and 64Gb inside memory is so fast that you can't almost notice it. When you shoot a series of frames the M11 need longer to copy photos inside a 128Gb Kingstone, half of time for the 64Gb Lexar and is very fast for the 64Gb inside memory. From now on I will shoot with my M11 like this: no SD card inside, only on inside memory because it is enough big for the 60MP you can make 462 frames, for 46MP size you can make 786 frames and for 18MP you get over 1K frames... enough for mu needs... After the shoot is done I will transfer photos from the inside memory to the fast Kingstone Canvas SD cart because it is easier and faster for the import in Capture One Pro that I use. Uf course there is also USB-C option for this... My opinion is that shooting without SD card inside , only with inside memory of the M11 I will get the best performance with this camera... Sorry for such a long post, really... I thought this is very important for everybody so I made this tests... Nikola 4 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted May 26, 2022 Share #42 Posted May 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Eugene Young said: I got my m11 firmware updated. But shutter delay between shots still existed. Pressed shutter 3-4times and didn’t work. What shall I do to fix this problem? Do not set Auto review to Off or Shutter Button. Works faster at 1s, 3s or 5s settings curiously. At least on my body. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 26, 2022 Share #43 Posted May 26, 2022 1 minute ago, LEGEND said: This is with Auto review set to Shutter button pressed or to Off. Worse settings to me. See my post above. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGEND Posted May 26, 2022 Share #44 Posted May 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, lct said: Worse settings to me. See my post above. I will try this right away and report how it work... Thank you very much... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGEND Posted May 26, 2022 Share #45 Posted May 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, LEGEND said: I will try this right away and report how it work... Thank you very much... You are right... With Auto review set to 1sec , 3sec or 5sec it really work faster as it suppose to do... No “Hick-ups“ or similar... With the SD card inside and set to write on SD card first... As I shote most of the time in Single mode I will use this from now on. Did't know that this works... Really very strange... But for continuous shooting I will change the camera setting to write first on the inside memory because somehow the buffer clears faster, at least I think it does... Now I need to make me another user profile for the fast continuous shooting... Everyday you can learn something new... Thank you again... Nikola 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGEND Posted May 26, 2022 Share #46 Posted May 26, 2022 I just tested the M11 with Auto review set to 1sec. and used continuous on Low and High, on different DNG size and on these two card Kingstone and Lexar. There is no difference for shooting on Low or High continuous mode, different DNG size, those two SD cards but now with Auto review set to 1sec , 3sec or 5sec. The results are the same as on my first test... Any way the shooting on the Single mode is now OK and faster and I am happy about this... Nikola 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted May 26, 2022 Share #47 Posted May 26, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 18 Stunden schrieb scott kirkpatrick: Problem solved. I thought you should first connect to the camera, then download firmware. No, it’s firmware first, and the you are connected. Don’t forget to upload profiles afterwards. I updated via Fotos App and at the end the Profile and all other settings were still here (inkl. time and date) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted May 26, 2022 Share #48 Posted May 26, 2022 What I changed with perspective control. I can not make out a difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 26, 2022 Share #49 Posted May 26, 2022 46 minutes ago, LEGEND said: Really very strange.. Indeed and it works also fine in permanent mode apparently, don't ask me why. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGEND Posted May 26, 2022 Share #50 Posted May 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, lct said: Indeed and it works also fine in permanent mode apparently, don't ask me why. You know, it is Leica and they make everything different and mysterious... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Young Posted May 27, 2022 Share #51 Posted May 27, 2022 Thanks mr. photoworks. Resetting camera indeed resolves shutterlag problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 27, 2022 Share #52 Posted May 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Eugene Young said: Thanks mr. photoworks. Resetting camera indeed resolves shutterlag problem. It won't if you still set Auto review to Off or Shutter Button, in my practice at least. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted May 28, 2022 Share #53 Posted May 28, 2022 On 5/27/2022 at 3:23 AM, lct said: It won't if you still set Auto review to Off or Shutter Button, in my practice at least. Auto Review Off, LV Off, no shutter lag on my M11 (reset camera after update). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 28, 2022 Share #54 Posted May 28, 2022 1 hour ago, SrMi said: Auto Review Off, LV Off, no shutter lag on my M11 (reset camera after update). Hardly good then. Should behave the same way in RF and LV mode IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted May 28, 2022 Share #55 Posted May 28, 2022 22 minutes ago, lct said: Hardly good then. Should behave the same way in RF and LV mode IMHO. LV mode is a bit slower (more delay between shots) than RF mode. AFAIK, it used to be the other way around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 28, 2022 Share #56 Posted May 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, SrMi said: LV mode is a bit slower (more delay between shots) than RF mode. AFAIK, it used to be the other way around. A bit or a lot slower make little sense to me with respect . For now, just setting Auto review to 1s, 2s, or 3s seems to solve the whole issue. I did not measure anything though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted May 28, 2022 Share #57 Posted May 28, 2022 29 minutes ago, lct said: A bit or a lot slower make little sense to me with respect . For now, just setting Auto review to 1s, 2s, or 3s seems to solve the whole issue. I did not measure anything though. I see, and agreed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ck1 Posted May 29, 2022 Share #58 Posted May 29, 2022 New firmware followed by full reset. After a long day of shooting in low drive / highlight protection setting, 4 frames in 2 separate sequence lost due to massive exposure (first frames ok then next in series blown out). Not bad, but In such an expensive camera (any camera), not acceptable. Those shots could have been crucial. Of course, my Z7’s never have this problem. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewl Posted May 29, 2022 Share #59 Posted May 29, 2022 vor 7 Stunden schrieb ck1: New firmware followed by full reset. After a long day of shooting in low drive / highlight protection setting, 4 frames in 2 separate sequence lost due to massive exposure (first frames ok then next in series blown out). Not bad, but In such an expensive camera (any camera), not acceptable. Those shots could have been crucial. Of course, my Z7’s never have this problem. Leica builds great cameras / hardware but they definitely need to improve their software department. Very disappointing if this negatively impacts such a technological master piece! Unfortunately seems to be not a one time topic, the software of my Q1 back in the days was also quite horrible. Had to send in the camera twice and got it replaced eventually without resolving the issue. They just were not able to find the configuration that caused the issue… my learning out of this is definitely to go for a M model that is close to its replacement as it is way more mature it you want to avoid all this… nevertheless, still love the M11 with all of its flaws 😉 feeling a little bit like a beta tester and always a joy if a new firmware update is released! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Photographer Posted May 29, 2022 Share #60 Posted May 29, 2022 I wasn’t able to get my M11 to update via FOTOS and just copied the update file to the root directory of the memory card and updated the old fashion way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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