Popular Post Stef63 Posted February 6, 2022 Popular Post Share #1 Posted February 6, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) For those who want to compare the size of the older 020 model with the new Visoflex 2 model I took some snaps of an M11 and M10M side by side. Besides the technical advantages I find the new model better integrated and less as an afterthought when mounted on an M. Hope this helps those who are still deciding and have doubts about the size of the new Visoflex versus the old one. (My apologies for the crappy iPhone picture quality) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 21 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/329534-visoflex-2-and-020-a-visual-comparison/?do=findComment&comment=4377770'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 6, 2022 Posted February 6, 2022 Hi Stef63, Take a look here Visoflex 2 and 020 : a visual comparison. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
aristotle Posted February 6, 2022 Share #2 Posted February 6, 2022 Interesting indeed. Having never used a visoflex I never really thought too much about it, but I had always assumed that you'd put your eye directly against the viewfinder. From these pics, it looks like there is a standoff distance involved? If so, is the configuration really that much different than viewing the rear screen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef63 Posted February 6, 2022 Author Share #3 Posted February 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, aristotle said: If so, is the configuration really that much different than viewing the rear screen? No you press your eyes directly to the viewfinder of the EVF. You cannot use it otherwise. Being used to OVF for nearly half a century (both reflex and rangefinders) a never learned to use the rear screen of a camera to compose pictures. To much distracting to me. Now with aging eyesight the Visoflex is still natural for me. Besides that it widens the scope of lenses that you can use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 6, 2022 Share #4 Posted February 6, 2022 (edited) • Edited February 6, 2022 by lct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted February 6, 2022 Share #5 Posted February 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Stef63 said: No you press your eyes directly to the viewfinder of the EVF. You cannot use it otherwise. Being used to OVF for nearly half a century (both reflex and rangefinders) a never learned to use the rear screen of a camera to compose pictures. To much distracting to me. Now with aging eyesight the Visoflex is still natural for me. Besides that it widens the scope of lenses that you can use it. Which EVF is what? I would say, the use is very different from using the rear screen, the LCD. Not of course, if one uses a Hoodman loupe on the rear screen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 6, 2022 Share #6 Posted February 6, 2022 (edited) All detachable EVFs i've been using are nothing but an electronic viewfinder. It's like an optical VF we used to attach in the hot shoe of our Ms since the last century, except that it is electronic. I'm pretty sure you know it already so i must be missing something... Edited February 6, 2022 by lct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted February 6, 2022 Share #7 Posted February 6, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) The new EVF is smaller than the old one. That is good because from the pictures, I assumed the new one was larger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 6, 2022 Share #8 Posted February 6, 2022 13 minutes ago, John Ricard said: The new EVF is smaller than the old one. That is good because from the pictures, I assumed the new one was larger. They are actually very similar in size...one is horizontal and one vertical orientation 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted February 6, 2022 Share #9 Posted February 6, 2022 Neither is pretty! I prefer the camera without … Does the performance improvement warrant the upgrade? I’m not unhappy with the 020, though it’s butt ugly on the camera! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 6, 2022 Share #10 Posted February 6, 2022 1 hour ago, IkarusJohn said: Neither is pretty! I prefer the camera without … Does the performance improvement warrant the upgrade? I’m not unhappy with the 020, though it’s butt ugly on the camera! Maybe @stef63 can weigh in since he has both side by side. For me it wasn't a huge difference, but a noticeable improvement. Id also be curious to the exact dimensions of both. I sold my 020. I posted a brief review here: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 6, 2022 Share #11 Posted February 6, 2022 2 hours ago, digitalfx said: They are actually very similar in size...one is horizontal and one vertical orientation The new one seems to be just enough shorter to fit mounted in a bag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef63 Posted February 6, 2022 Author Share #12 Posted February 6, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, SrMi said: The new one seems to be just enough shorter to fit mounted in a bag. That is indeed one of the drawbacks I’m dealing with. The old 020 just was sliding in on the hot shoe and before putting the camera back in a bag I always removed the Visoflex. However since the new Visoflex 2 sits more close to the body and overlaps the hot shoe (it even has some padding to avoid scratches to the top plate) I’m more hesitant to frequently mount and unmount the Visoflex. Good thing is the much shorter fit but for example a M11 + Noctilux or 75 lux or 90 thambar + Visoflex does not fit in most bags. You need a bag with a width of at least 11cm. 57 minutes ago, digitalfx said: Maybe @stef63 can weigh in since he has both side by side. For me it wasn't a huge difference, but a noticeable improvement. Id also be curious to the exact dimensions of both. I sold my 020. I definitely prefer the new design which makes the Visoflex more “part of” the M body. But if it seems ugly, is personal taste. I admit it still seems an afterthought on a beautiful camera like the M11 is. But for some lenses and some circumstances it is pretty useful. Edited February 6, 2022 by Stef63 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cldp Posted February 7, 2022 Share #13 Posted February 7, 2022 Compared to the 020, the Visolflex 2 engages to the flash shoe much more firmly, it solidly clicks into place. The 020 can easily back off and disconnect the contact points. Also, the angle setting didn't have much friction. The Visoflex 2 connects much more firmly, it hasn't disconnected accidentally so far and I like the 45 degree and 90 degree detents that are quite firm. Also, and IMO, it looks better in person than in photographs. That said, with aging eyes and having some lenses longer than 75mm and some wider than 35mm, the Visoflex 2 extends my 50 year love affair with Leica M's. (With my diopter correction screwed into the optical finder, I can no longer see the entire 28mm frame without moving my eye around, so the video finder is a necessity.) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erudolph Posted February 7, 2022 Share #14 Posted February 7, 2022 4 hours ago, cldp said: IMO, it looks better in person than in photographs. I very much agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted February 7, 2022 Share #15 Posted February 7, 2022 18 hours ago, SrMi said: The new one seems to be just enough shorter to fit mounted in a bag. yes, and mine has stayed attached in the bag since it arrived Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejd Posted March 22, 2022 Share #16 Posted March 22, 2022 Does the older Visoflex (020) work on the M11? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted March 22, 2022 Share #17 Posted March 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, ejd said: Does the older Visoflex (020) work on the M11? No, it doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejd Posted March 22, 2022 Share #18 Posted March 22, 2022 1 minute ago, SrMi said: No, it doesn't. Thank you for that useful information. Good to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tappan Posted March 23, 2022 Share #19 Posted March 23, 2022 How well does it work compared to the round visoflex? I mean, we have many posts (above) regarding it's looks? I am thinking about getting this new one for my M10-P. I have never used one. Thanks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gao Posted March 24, 2022 Share #20 Posted March 24, 2022 For me the biggest problem of the original visoflex of M10P is the unstable sensitivity of the sensor, maybe it's effected by my glasses, the EVF does not always work. So I prefer it has a button to switch back LCD or the EVF. When I tried the new EVF on the M11, I found it much more comfortable. No sensor problem, wider view area, higher resolution inside. And the M11 brings a much quicker reaction when you press the shutter, then you can take the next photo without obvious lag. Just can regard the M11 with the EVF as a mirrorless camera. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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