Would you buy an EVF only M camera? [MERGED]

[otto.f]

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11 hours ago, MrPaulK said:

flexible

The most flexible is a well adjusted rangefinder, even for APO90 and both 135mm’s

[Pelu2010]

Hey, if Leica would produce a Hybrid EVF

that give me the Opernintendant to switch any time I need to because I can’t Se tue result and in that moment it’s important, then I would buy at the spot!
i can live with the surprise. But sometimes I need that extra precision. And then I have to guess. This is not bad for most cases but when I work for a client it can get stressful for me. I only use the m as an add on. Where I can be more experimental. And I would love to use it more and be able to invoice my client. 
Kind regards peter 

[Photoworks]

18 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

And I would love to use it more and be able to invoice my client. 

how does that work. I never had a client looking what camera I use!

[RexGig0]

If my vision gets to the point that I can no longer effectively use a rangefinder to focus, well, then, I reckon that a “rangefinder-less” M body would be a sensible option. Being in the retiree phase of life, it is doubtful that I would buy such a camera, new, from a Leica dealer. 

Having said that, a somewhat down-sized SL might well be more sensible, and more practical. It would not offend the M purists, and would address one of the major complaints I am seeing on forums, about the SL system. As it is, now, I might well be more likely to buy an SL-series body, than an M11 body. Cost is part of it, but, really, the reason I would want higher resolution would be landscape shooting, and other shooting done on a tripod. I do not need the “rangefinder experience” when working with a tripod, and do not need for the camera to be quite so compact.

As for whether Leica “should” produce an EVF-only, “rangefinder-less,” M-sized camera body, well, I believe that Leica “should” do what is financially wise.

[Pelu2010]

10 minutes ago, Photoworks said:

how does that work. I never had a client looking what camera I use!

It’s not about the camera client experience. 
 

it’s about the photographer did not get the shot in focus vs client expected something in focus experience. 
 

it’s not brand orientated , more do you get the result. 
 

and in my free time this does not matter that much. 
 

but when I work on a project with shallow depth of field then it gets tricky. 
 

and I know I can switch between the viewfinder and the display. 

[Pelu2010]

4 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

It’s not about the camera client experience. 
 

it’s about the photographer did not get the shot in focus vs client expected something in focus experience. 
 

it’s not brand orientated , more do you get the result. 
 

and in my free time this does not matter that much. 
 

but when I work on a project with shallow depth of field then it gets tricky. 
 

and I know I can switch between the viewfinder and the display. 

To illustrate this deeper : 

 

for me there are several scenarios:

1. I need the viewfinder of the m to see things I do not see this way in a evf or on a screen. 
this also means that it’s enjoyable to just look at compositions. 
 

2. then there are times where the viewfinder does not give me the correct impression of what I am photographing. 
> evf would be perfect 

3. the situations where I need to switch between. 
> that’s why I like hybrid option (and by the way I also work with Fuji, but I would love to have this option in a M camera) 

4. goofing around and just having fun. 
i don’t care for anything. Everything that gives me the shot is nice …. 
 

And to be serious : I love it when errors happen. 
less when I need to shoot on time on budget and with client . 
 

that’s all 

 

cheers 

[Pelu2010]

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Maybe not an EVF only M buying > 

I would rather rent it for the purpose. 
 

and would buy the hybrid 

[MrPaulK]

6 hours ago, otto.f said:

The most flexible is a well adjusted rangefinder, even for APO90 and both 135mm’s

The most flexible is having both available. And not all lenses are coupled. 

[charlesphoto99]

49 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

It’s not about the camera client experience. 
 

it’s about the photographer did not get the shot in focus vs client expected something in focus experience. 
 

it’s not brand orientated , more do you get the result. 
 

and in my free time this does not matter that much. 
 

but when I work on a project with shallow depth of field then it gets tricky. 
 

and I know I can switch between the viewfinder and the display. 

Get a Nikon Z7II with an M lens adapter and put an optical viewfinder on the hotshot and you're good to go with both 'visualization' and EVF focus. Problem solved. 

Sometimes I really think this whole EVF thing is just a solution looking for a problem as it is. 

[Kiwimac]

You could reverse the current setup where the camera has RF and Visoflex EVF can be added to the camera having Visoflex and the RF being the added bit (like the wide angle finder accessory but not just for wide angles). Sort of a half way house.

The poll results seem to indicate that the 'Leica Purists' are not the ones Leica needs to take into account if sales are the aim of the game.

Edited February 8, 2023 by Kiwimac

[jdlaing]

3 hours ago, Kiwimac said:

You could reverse the current setup where the camera has RF and Visoflex EVF can be added to the camera having Visoflex and the RF being the added bit (like the wide angle finder accessory but not just for wide angles). Sort of a half way house.

 

No. You can’t. The RF doesn’t work that way.

[jakontil]

The best set up is now, keep improving the EVF options and remains an option, like using RF is a pleasure but can put on evf when needed 

[lct]

Rangefinders have been accessories before giving their name to RF cameras, e.g. long base FODIS or short base FOKOS or HFOOK. FODIS here. Would be fun to mount this in the accessory shoe of the EVF-M. Back to the roots .

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[mujk]

On 2/6/2023 at 7:41 PM, otto.f said:

Leica has started close focus options in two 35mm’s, which are useless without EVF. They might introduce the 50APO with that option too. In the meantime these lenses need a longer time than ever to appear on the market after introduction. But if all the M lenses are going that way, especially the Noctilux’s, who will care about some grumpy old men who prefer the traditional rangefinder just because they are used to it and their age doesn’t bend to new ergonomics? Besides, these men don’t need a new M anyway and will use their M9-M11’s until they pass away or need too strong glasses for any M.

Based on your definition I would claim that it's the grumpy old men who have kept Leica Ms in production all these years. Who else would buy a camera with an OVF and a rangefinder?

[kretsche]

Am 7.2.2023 um 14:04 schrieb Pelu2010:

Hey, if Leica would produce a Hybrid EVF

that give me the Opernintendant to switch any time I need to because I can’t Se tue result and in that moment it’s important, then I would buy at the spot!
i can live with the surprise. But sometimes I need that extra precision. And then I have to guess. This is not bad for most cases but when I work for a client it can get stressful for me. I only use the m as an add on. Where I can be more experimental. And I would love to use it more and be able to invoice my client. 
Kind regards peter 

Mit dem neuen EVF ist das wirklich perfekt möglich. Und ist der Job vorbei, hast Du die pure M und das klassische Design. Messsucher, EVF und Display  - mehr wird technisch kaum gehen😉

[otto.f]

11 minutes ago, mujk said:

Based on your definition I would claim that it's the grumpy old men who have kept Leica Ms in production all these years. Who else would buy a camera with an OVF and a rangefinder?

Hard to say, because on the other hand, the enthusiasm for the new M6 and for the used ones with higher prices than they ever were for a new one in the 90’s, comes for a great deal from younger photographers. But the rangefinder concept is less vulnerable with film than with high resolution sensors. As somebody said here, it is not unthinkable that Leica goes back to 24 or 32Mp as a variant in an M12 group.

[SrMi]

If you are an LSI member, you may have a say in whether Leica will build an EVF-only M.

Leica Rumors: Leica Society International sent out a survey about the long-rumored Leica M camera with a built-in EVF

 

 

[Photoworks]

3 hours ago, SrMi said:

If you are an LSI member, you may have a say in whether Leica will build an EVF-only M.

Leica Rumors: Leica Society International sent out a survey about the long-rumored Leica M camera with a built-in EVF

 

 

yeah, I saw the email. not sure what to think of it.
I don't see any benefits in a EVF only M11, especially in a lowers EVF that is available correctly.

[SrMi]

20 minutes ago, Photoworks said:

yeah, I saw the email. not sure what to think of it.
I don't see any benefits in a EVF only M11, especially in a lowers EVF that is available correctly.

The second half of the last sentence looks heavily auto-corrected 😁.

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[DenverSteve]

On 12/7/2022 at 1:10 PM, pgk said:

Individual's 'belief' and the reality of the marketplace for a small, expensive to develop and technically challenging to create may well not coincide.

This topic has been done to death here before. If there was a simple solution and it was potentially profitable, I am sure that Leica would have produced something by now.

Yes, but this time the questionnaire came directly from Leica.  I received mine from Leica as it was sent to registered Leica owners.  I sent them my answers this week.  They are actively looking into this.