I ordered the m10-r black paint

[Herr Barnack]

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51 minutes ago, 250swb said:

 

And unfortunately it looks totally fake. The trouble with trying to fake wear is that people only tend to rub edges in the obvious places and highpoints whereas real wear is far more random and to be believable has to encompass the idea that it could actually be ugly in places. Smooth wear along edges can happen in the areas where fingers are always touching the camera, but along other edges the brassing forms from little bites being taken out of the paint by knocks maybe with another camera or rubbing against a lens in a camera bag, eventually forming a longer area of brassing on an edge. But on an authentically worn body the brass underneath is itself often tarnished with age to a darker colour and is never uniformly polished looking. You see this tarnished brass effect in Leica's Lenny Kravitz Edition, although the rest still looks like fake wear. You can use chemicals to develop brass tarnishing but once again it can look fake if there isn't any randomness to it.

 

 

This is why I prefer to let my M cameras develop their patina of wear over time by using them.  I would rather my M camera have no wear or only slight wear than have a patina that makes it look like a contrived impostor.

To each his own, though.  If @JimmyCheng is pleased with the way his camera's patina looks, that is what matters.

As for Leica's Lenny Kravitz Edition, to my eye it was a true masterwork - of grotesque ugliness. 🤮

Edited July 3, 2021 by Herr Barnack

[JimmyCheng]

1 hour ago, 250swb said:

 

And unfortunately it looks totally fake. The trouble with trying to fake wear is that people only tend to rub edges in the obvious places and highpoints whereas real wear is far more random and to be believable has to encompass the idea that it could actually be ugly in places. Smooth wear along edges can happen in the areas where fingers are always touching the camera, but along other edges the brassing forms from little bites being taken out of the paint by knocks maybe with another camera or rubbing against a lens in a camera bag, eventually forming a longer area of brassing on an edge. But on an authentically worn body the brass underneath is itself often tarnished with age to a darker colour and is never uniformly polished looking. You see this tarnished brass effect in Leica's Lenny Kravitz Edition, although the rest still looks like fake wear. You can use chemicals to develop brass tarnishing but once again it can look fake if there isn't any randomness to it.

 

 

Point is, I was not doing it for the sake of mimicking a well-worn camera. I initially just wanted all possible outlines to look golden, with that Tron look.

[Fedro]

5 minutes ago, Steven said:

I would love to as well, but the problem is that I don't keep my cameras long enough to brass. If I did though, they would brass quickly, because I bring my camera everywhere with me, even to the toilet. 

Steven, you have mentioned a few times already. What pictures do you take in the toilet?

[Fedro]

I guess that the BP finish is really sticky if you cant take it off  

 

[250swb]

But the iPhone is what people are supposed to photograph their dinner with. The only way it can be surpassed is if the end result out of their backside is photographed better with a 'well used' Leica M10R.

Edited July 3, 2021 by 250swb

[Jeff S]

We’ve seen his photographs of dog poop.  Must be a French thing.

Jeff

[250swb]

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18 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

We’ve seen his photographs of dog poop.  Must be a French thing.

Jeff

 I'm not sure who's poop you've seen, butt an M10R can presumably ramp up poop.

[Jeff S]

38 minutes ago, 250swb said:

 I'm not sure who's poop you've seen, butt an M10R can presumably ramp up poop.

 

With the new APO...

 

 

Jeff

[250swb]

5 hours ago, Steven said:

Not sure why everyone hates it! I like it. 

I guess. 

There was a guy on the forum many years ago who took on board the idea that the black M9 was BP, and yes it is. But after I suspect first damaging his LCD he proceeded to look like a total tit in rubbing edges and distressing the camera, and then insisting it was all natural wear over his six months of ownership, and it looked worse than any professional use M3 that was 50 years old. His misjudgement was that the paint he was wearing wasn't old style black paint, it is far harder, and nobody else saw the same wear on their M9. Presumably he thought people would think how cool his camera looked, which they didn't, they thought he was a tit. 

[Jeff S]

5 minutes ago, Steven said:

Shit... (no pun intended), this is making me want to get a 35APO again. 

And maybe practice stopping down for better subject focus.

Jeff

[pippy]

6 hours ago, 250swb said:

I've got a couple of the Custom Shop Relic's, a Nocaster (Telecaster before it had a name), and a '56 Strat...

I'd love to see some pics.

Going Off-Topic for a mo'...

I have a 1995-release '1960 Les Paul Standard Re-issue' and the genuine(!) finish-checking it has developed - for a modern Gibson - is extraordinary. So much so that the luthier who I employed to carry out a fret crown-and-dress (who, himself, owns a vintage '58 ES-175) thought it might be an original......As-If!!!............

Philip.

[Jeff S]

7 minutes ago, Steven said:

Stopping down what ? The aperture? I'd rather die. 

Not long ago you found new possibilities and challenges turning the ring counter-clockwise. Guess the challenges prevailed.

Jeff

[Flu]

The day before I received my camera, I went out and bought some sandpaper... Here goes nothing haha! 

With how careful I am with my cameras, it would take me 100 - 200 years to patina it! I needs the sandpaper!

[Flu]

8 hours ago, JimmyCheng said:

Point is, I was not doing it for the sake of mimicking a well-worn camera. I initially just wanted all possible outlines to look golden, with that Tron look.

I like it too! I hope to sandpaper mine soon after I do a photoshoot of it.

[IkarusJohn]

Oh dear.  Shoot me now …

[david strachan]

"Oh Dear!" indeed.

I wonder if Leica would honour their warranty after such vandalism?

...

[Herr Barnack]

With all the black paint sanding mania that is afoot, I would like to recommend this in order to expedite the process and give your new $9300 USD black paint M10R a distinctive and unique patina:

https://www.lowes.com/pd/PORTER-CABLE-120-Volt-4-5-Amps-Orbital-Sander/4542276

Edited July 4, 2021 by Herr Barnack

[Jeff S]

For me it’s like having an elegant vintage black Aston or Ferrari and deciding to add gold pinstripes and window frames. Beyond tacky. But to each his own.

Jeff

[kinch123]

4 hours ago, Steven said:

Shit... (no pun intended), this is making me want to get a 35APO again. 

Why not get up close and personal with 21 Lux?

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[Robert Blanko]

vor 15 Stunden schrieb 250swb:

 

And unfortunately it looks totally fake. The trouble with trying to fake wear is that people only tend to rub edges in the obvious places and highpoints whereas real wear is far more random and to be believable has to encompass the idea that it could actually be ugly in places. Smooth wear along edges can happen in the areas where fingers are always touching the camera, but along other edges the brassing forms from little bites being taken out of the paint by knocks maybe with another camera or rubbing against a lens in a camera bag, eventually forming a longer area of brassing on an edge. But on an authentically worn body the brass underneath is itself often tarnished with age to a darker colour and is never uniformly polished looking. You see this tarnished brass effect in Leica's Lenny Kravitz Edition, although the rest still looks like fake wear. You can use chemicals to develop brass tarnishing but once again it can look fake if there isn't any randomness to it.

 

 

After thorough consideration - I might offer a solution to this first-world problem!

Any M10R-BP owners interested in authentic brassing could ask me for a quote for the following special service:

Send in your M10R-BPs. I will take them to nice places and subject them to intense use causing authentic brassing. This would of course also include small bumps with other Leicas in my collection etc.

Sounds good? 

I think I could offer this package for competitive 5998.- bucks (VAT not included) for 2 months of intense authentic brassing. 10% discount for the second BP. 🙂😉

 

Edited July 4, 2021 by Robert Blanko