setuporg Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share #61 Posted January 1, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Pixii is amazing as an experience of immediate results from a rangefinder. Although the technology of things we use does change, my point is that in terms of focusing, it does not, whereas the M system is concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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scroy Posted January 1, 2021 Share #62 Posted January 1, 2021 Personally, I would like a couple of changes 1) Modify the M10 baseplate to make it easier to take out the battery, and SD card. Its more painful than it should be. Something along the lines of the Luigi M-Mate10 would be welcome. 2) Settable frame lines vs lens-based Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 1, 2021 Share #63 Posted January 1, 2021 12 hours ago, setuporg said: Pixii is amazing as an experience of immediate results from a rangefinder. Although the technology of things we use does change, my point is that in terms of focusing, it does not [...] Could be problem given the short effective base length of the Pixii's rangefinder. I have no experience with it though. Did you try it in person? Just curious. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted January 1, 2021 Share #64 Posted January 1, 2021 32 minutes ago, scroy said: Modify the M10 baseplate to make it easier to take out the battery, and SD card. Its more painful than it should be. I see it as a charming, little ritual. It's fast and easy. But once I lost my M9's baseplate on the floor and made a small dent in it. Since then, I have been very careful with my M10 not to repeat that mistake. 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 1, 2021 Share #65 Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) My New Year wish for the M system. "Please Leica, make a big fat profit!" - so that you can keep on making anything else! Edited January 1, 2021 by adan 5 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share #66 Posted January 1, 2021 2 hours ago, adan said: My New Year wish for the M system. "Please Leica, make a big fat profit!" - so that you can keep on making anything else! We're all working hard on it! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted January 2, 2021 Share #67 Posted January 2, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 hours ago, setuporg said: We're all working hard on it! Its the job for Leica to work hard at. I am not buying yesterday’s camera tomorrow, I already have yesterday camera and I am content with it, plus I think I have passed my mid life crisis. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaeger Posted January 2, 2021 Share #68 Posted January 2, 2021 1) electronic first curtain shutter 2) open source flash system 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted January 2, 2021 Share #69 Posted January 2, 2021 On 12/31/2020 at 2:49 PM, setuporg said: I respectfully and vehemently disagree, which is the whole point of the original post and wish. I believe the RF is the heart of the M, as Leica had repeatedly confirmed. A gazillion M adapters is available for other systems. You can also get a Pixii with the M mount sending the image right to the iPhone immediately! A rangefinder was my first camera as a child, and I keep coming back to it. The discovery of the year was the Xpan, which was a tremendous experience. I was an early adopter of Pixii for the same reason. The RF never gets old! AF is a complexity leading one down the rabbit hole of hubris. The RF simplifies photography and life with photography in it. To me, Leica is about lenses. The box holding the lens should be able to assist the photographer to best exploit the high quality lens. To me things like EVF are tools to be used when when the photographer feels it’s ‘needed’. Afterall isn’t that why the EVF was developed, manufactured, and sold. For one I can say it’s enhanced my experience with 75 cron and super wides. to me OP is just picking and choosing what technology he wants, which is fine but a purist would be happier with A film M -A.? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 2, 2021 Share #70 Posted January 2, 2021 Please keep the leica m beautifully obsolete and not change it into just another modern camera like all the others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfairclough Posted January 3, 2021 Share #71 Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) I am happy with the M10 as it stands. Not important but very welcomed: - 50MP resolution. - Better dynamic range. - Allow the custom wheel at the back near the shutter to be used as way to change ISO faster. I love the pop-up wheel to change the ISO but there are some situations I want to change my ISO just a little more efficiently and so the custom wheel at the back would be nice. It doesn't get much use otherwise. - Bluetooth to connect to the app as opposed to Wifi. Also in following the foot steps of premium brands like Le Labo and Coach, I would like to see some personalised engraving machines in-store. Complimentary initials or names on baseplate etc. Just some ideas anyway! Edited January 3, 2021 by maxfairclough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted January 3, 2021 Share #72 Posted January 3, 2021 FYR. https://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-Q/Leica-Q2/Details A clear view at all timesWith the new OLED viewfinder The newly developed, high-resolution OLED viewfinder has a resolution of 3.68 megapixels. The high resolution provides an ideal view and live preview of your subject at all times, with improved image depth and higher contrast. Surpassing the previous generation’s LCD EVF technology, the brightness of each individual pixel in the OLED viewfinder of the Q2 is independently controlled – yielding improved contrast and color depth. Power consumption remains low even with the strength of the high-resolution EVF. The viewfinder is activated as soon as the camera is brought up to the eye and shows the subject reliably and without any perceptible delays. The new Leica Q2 also offers a unique and intuitive handling concept, such as its redesigned push-button diopter setting dial on the back of the camera that prevents inadvertent shifting of the compensation value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2021 Share #73 Posted January 3, 2021 Little wishes regarding the software of the M10-P: 1. The spirit level must not switch itself off when the release button is pressed halfway to save the measured value. 2. Bracketing, i.e. the independent release of several photos one after the other with different time values, should be possibly combined with the time-delayed release of 2 or 10 seconds. - Incidentally, the Leica SL masters both properties, therefore it should be easy to integrate these also into the M10-P during the next software upgrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2021 Share #74 Posted January 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Erato said: FYR. https://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-Q/Leica-Q2/Details A clear view at all timesWith the new OLED viewfinder Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The newly developed, high-resolution OLED viewfinder has a resolution of 3.68 megapixels. The high resolution provides an ideal view and live preview of your subject at all times, with improved image depth and higher contrast. Surpassing the previous generation’s LCD EVF technology, the brightness of each individual pixel in the OLED viewfinder of the Q2 is independently controlled – yielding improved contrast and color depth. Power consumption remains low even with the strength of the high-resolution EVF. The viewfinder is activated as soon as the camera is brought up to the eye and shows the subject reliably and without any perceptible delays. The new Leica Q2 also offers a unique and intuitive handling concept, such as its redesigned push-button diopter setting dial on the back of the camera that prevents inadvertent shifting of the compensation value. Except it is nowhere near as clear as the optical viewfinder on the M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted January 3, 2021 Share #75 Posted January 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, steve 1959 said: Except it is nowhere near as clear as the optical viewfinder on the M. IMHO, M will be Ms and Q will be Qs. They're different design. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr No Posted January 3, 2021 Share #76 Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) The M System has been modular since the very early days with the Visoflex and all it's wonderfully weird contraptions and eclectic accessories and it should continue that way. That is an inherent part of the systems charm and history. For me, rangefinder plus plug in optional EVF is the best way forward—the best of both worlds that fits best with the system. All this talk of removing modern functionality 'because of history' is just plain silly. All these greats who used the Leica system, if alive today, would be using this technology that they like to help them, just like they used external viewfinders for when wider lenses were developed, large grips and motor winders for when they needed them, the ability to use long tele lenses with a Visoflex when they needed them. In the future the "greats" of now and tomorrow will have been using all the modern technology on cameras they could use it and in ways we could not imagine. We live in the modern age and are moving into the future, not backwards into the past. Kept as a modular system, the camera could and in my opinion should be be as pure or as useful as the user needs. Bring back movies, bring back the grip with a flash port so we can use flash and evf together, so we can connect with hardware to a computer or charge with an external battery or mains power for some specific purpose, make a movie grip which unlocks all this with mic jack, HDMI and a port for an optional tilting, swivelling screen. People have stopped buying cameras, in part, I believe, for this reason. I don't want to buy a whole new camera every 3-4 years, a whole new camera for movies, a whole new camera for different things, all these different bodies, lenses, systems, batteries, chargers all this toxic mountain of e-waste constantly being pushed into our environment when just one of these cameras could do all of these things. I want to buy one system and adapt it to my uses and have one that can change and adapt with how I and photography change over the years. Now that we are at diminishing returns of image quality, with all cameras including phones having excellent image quality people have slowed buying, the time is right for a modular system like this. Modularity has always been the cornerstone of the most successful and long lasting systems and the M has ALWAYS been this way. Edited January 3, 2021 by Dr No 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted January 3, 2021 Share #77 Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Dr No said: The M System has been modular since the very early days with the Visoflex and all it's wonderfully weird contraptions and eclectic accessories and it should continue that way. That is an inherent part of the systems charm and history. For me, rangefinder plus plug in optional EVF is the best way forward—the best of both worlds that fits best with the system. All this talk of removing modern functionality 'because of history' is just plain silly. All these greats who used the Leica system, if alive today, would be using this technology that they like to help them, just like they used external viewfinders for when wider lenses were developed, large grips and motor winders for when they needed them, the ability to use long tele lenses with a Visoflex when they needed them. In the future the "greats" of now and tomorrow will have been using all the modern technology on cameras they could use it and in ways we could not imagine. We live in the modern age and are moving into the future, not backwards into the past. Kept as a modular system, the camera could and in my opinion should be be as pure or as useful as the user needs. Bring back movies, bring back the grip with a flash port so we can use flash and evf together, so we can connect with hardware to a computer or charge with an external battery or mains power for some specific purpose, make a movie grip which unlocks all this with mic jack, HDMI and a port for an optional tilting, swivelling screen. People have stopped buying cameras, in part, I believe, for this reason. I don't want to buy a whole new camera every 3-4 years, a whole new camera for movies, a whole new camera for different things, all these different bodies, lenses, systems, batteries, chargers all this toxic mountain of e-waste constantly being pushed into our environment when just one of these cameras could do all of these things. I want to buy one system and adapt it to my uses and have one that can change and adapt with how I and photography change over the years. Now that we are at diminishing returns of image quality, with all cameras including phones having excellent image quality people have slowed buying, the time is right for a modular system like this. Modularity has always been the cornerstone of the most successful and long lasting systems and the M has ALWAYS been this way. Very well said ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlackBarn Posted January 3, 2021 Share #78 Posted January 3, 2021 Digital Cameras aren’t commercially structured for durability and longevity so every digital M has a perceived shelf life. I doubt Leica will freeze time at the 10m as they are already financially seduced by advancing in-camera technology and maybe that’s their only realistic means of retaining survival income flows. I suspect those who want to see an M on steroids will probable get their wish as will those who want their current M characteristics retained as Leica is also mindful of its core values. Personally the more I engage with photography the fewer photographs I take. I’m beginning to see myself disengaging from digital in-camera technology and moving towards the fully mechanical M and film. I appreciate what in-camera technology brings, I’ve been there - doing that, yet for me it’s taking away more than it gives. A ‘M’ without digital cobwebs is beginning to feel like my step backwards into the future with the added advantage it already exists with nothing requiring change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Prime Posted January 11, 2021 Share #79 Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) my wish list changes as I spend more time using my film M and CL digital. I’d now like an M11 that is: a) less expensive - please sell them in higher volume and sell more lenses to all these new owners b) optical viewfinder as before but with more sophisticated optional overlay sufficient to allow a fully useable camera without an ‘orible screen on the back, user defined framelines - only one visible at a time (does this happen already?) c) longer battery life is preferred over yet more features (but just imagine if voice recognition allowed you to select certain features during shooting...) d) (negative) film-like ability to retain highlights and high ISO using large pixels is preferred over yet more pixels Edited January 11, 2021 by Mr.Prime Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2021 Share #80 Posted January 12, 2021 I think they should change the name of the company to PANASONIC-leica because the SL and Q have panasonic techno written all over them. Dont stop there but change the M into an EVF based camera with the use of ibis,plastics and zoom lenses and call it a "rangefinder style camera". Maybe add some film simulations like velvia,kodachrome or orwochrome even though such things are total boll***s in truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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