lct Posted October 7, 2019 Share #661 Â Posted October 7, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 hours ago, Lins-Barroso said: The new SL2 looks like the same size comparing with the Sony a7R4 Little chance i fear but it will have less buttons at least . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted October 7, 2019 Share #662  Posted October 7, 2019 6 hours ago, albireo_double said: I even got in touch with them through Leica support to find out what radio triggers they were using with the Rotolights I remember this video. Was very intrigued by the use of triggers. Have you received any information on the triggers used and the sync? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 8, 2019 Share #663  Posted October 8, 2019 Sorry to disappoint. SL2 is not ready for prime time. Have to wait til the end of year. Before winter for sure.  2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 8, 2019 Share #664  Posted October 8, 2019 vor 39 Minuten schrieb nicci78: Sorry to disappoint. SL2 is not ready for prime time. Have to wait til the end of year. Before winter for sure.  At least it’s good to know, that Leica will consider the feedback the KOLs provided and work to improve the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 8, 2019 Share #665  Posted October 8, 2019 I doubt it. Les jeux sont fait. Rien ne va plus.  1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 8, 2019 Share #666  Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) Bad connexion. Double post   Edited October 8, 2019 by nicci78 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 8, 2019 Share #667  Posted October 8, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 11 Minuten schrieb nicci78: I doubt it. Les jeux sont fait. Rien ne va plus.  Not even firmware improvements? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scroy Posted October 8, 2019 Share #668  Posted October 8, 2019 1 hour ago, nicci78 said: Sorry to disappoint. SL2 is not ready for prime time. Have to wait til the end of year. Before winter for sure.  That is a pity. I was hoping orders could be placed in the US before the tariffs go into place on Oct 18th - https://leicarumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/25-US-tax-for-European-products-include-also-Leica-cameras-and-lenses.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 8, 2019 Share #669  Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) Cameras are not subject to the new stupid tariffs. Only the lenses. Just buy now any made in Germany Leica objectives you fancy. Edited October 8, 2019 by nicci78 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted October 8, 2019 Share #670 Â Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, albireo_double said: China's top fashion and wedding photographer, again a Hasselblad ambassador. Sails Chong ? Cool guy my favorite set > Â Edited October 8, 2019 by frame-it 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albireo_double Posted October 8, 2019 Share #671  Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, ynp said: I remember this video. Was very intrigued by the use of triggers. Have you received any information on the triggers used and the sync? thanks Well, they said they used the Canon version of the Elinchrom EL-Skyport triggers. Which made no sense initially because the pin arrangement in the hotshoe is different between Canon and Leica. I did not have a Canon version Skyport, but had a Nikon version. In the end, I figured out for myself that I had to disable all other pins but the central one to make it work. To do so, I inserted a simple one pin "cube" into the SL's hotshoe and then inserted the trigger into the "cube". What I mean by "cube" is the flash adapter that goes in the hotshoe and has another hotshoe on the top, with just the central pin, and a standard PC sync socket on the side (like this one Rotolight Version). When I used it, I think I selected the 1/50s sync speed on the Rotolight (max output) and whatever shutter speed I needed to get to the ambient correct. The Rotolights are quite nice but there is not that much power in them; the built-in flash capability alleviates this lack of power to a degree. Edited October 8, 2019 by albireo_double 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albireo_double Posted October 8, 2019 Share #672  Posted October 8, 2019 3 hours ago, frame-it said: Sails Chong ? Cool guy  Yes, it is him. Looking forward to this. Just got an email with all organisational details today and a like from Sails on one of my insta photos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted October 8, 2019 Share #673  Posted October 8, 2019 2 hours ago, albireo_double said: Well, they said they used the Canon version of the Elinchrom EL-Skyport triggers. Which made no sense initially because the pin arrangement in the hotshoe is different between Canon and Leica. Thank you very much for your information. So there’s no secret Elinchtom  Leica adapter... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albireo_double Posted October 8, 2019 Share #674  Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, ynp said: So there’s no secret Elinchtom  Leica adapter... Nope. And no dedicated Profoto, Broncolor trigger either. Just the generic ones with no HSS or TTL. Never mind. Leica shooters shoot with available light. Or with Canon triggers hacked with a bit of sellotape. End of rant. Edited October 8, 2019 by albireo_double 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 9, 2019 Share #675  Posted October 9, 2019 4 hours ago, albireo_double said: Nope. And no dedicated Profoto, Broncolor trigger either. Just the generic ones with no HSS or TTL. Never mind. Leica shooters shoot with available light. Or with Canon triggers hacked with a bit of sellotape. End of rant. If you have a donkey an an assistant for set up and manage these strobes & light modifiers, you can always use a TTL flash mounted to yr SL’s hot shoe set the camera to higher than sync shutter speed to trigger a optical trigger connected to strobes set to full power at off camera positions to offer you HSS to overpower the sun. Technically speaking HSS off camera flash offers flexibility & creativity. But on most outdoor situations you need like a 200W minimum to provide fill effect at close distance on your subject. If you do not have a donkey an an assistant like me, use multiple of the Nissin MG10 (165ws) flash that can be fired HSS/TTL with Leica SF-C1 commander. Certainly the SF60s could be used but the insufficient power and overheating will very soon shutdown those units making them redundant. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 9, 2019 Share #676 Â Posted October 9, 2019 There is no spec release of the SL2 along with the leaked photos of the camera exterior except: 1. 47 MPx; 2. Cine mode; 3. 4 K video. The codename is Vader, suggesting good Low light capability. So I derive that there got to be some form of IBIS and an improved ISO / dynamic range over the current S1R to enhance the otherwise let down by the 47MPx of the S1R sensor. Nothing mentioned about the AF capacity, I just hope that it will be at least on par with the S1R AF capability for the worst. Another 31days wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted October 9, 2019 Share #677 Â Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, sillbeers15 said: There is no spec release of the SL2 along with the leaked photos of the camera exterior except: 1. 47 MPx; 2. Cine mode; 3. 4 K video. The codename is Vader, suggesting good Low light capability. So I derive that there got to be some form of IBIS and an improved ISO / dynamic range over the current S1R to enhance the otherwise let down by the 47MPx of the S1R sensor. Nothing mentioned about the AF capacity, I just hope that it will be at least on par with the S1R AF capability for the worst. Another 31days wait. So essentially S1R? Likely with sensor(cover) with improved M-lens handling. And possibly improved high ISO. Without a new Maestro processor (based on the fact that S3 will use the Maestro S007 prosessor), the max fps will (most likely) decrease from 11 to 6-ish fps. And Leica colour, although S1R is close to SL in that respect. It is too much to hope for improved AF compared to S1R, I guess. I am still interested, but hard to see how SL2 will substantively differentiate from S1R. But surprises are - of course - welcome! Edited October 9, 2019 by helged 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted October 9, 2019 Share #678  Posted October 9, 2019 56 minutes ago, helged said: So essentially S1R? Likely with sensor(cover) with improved M-lens handling. And possibly improved high ISO. Without a new Maestro processor (based on the fact that S3 will use the Maestro S007 prosessor), the max fps will (most likely) decrease from 11 to 6-ish fps. And Leica colour, although S1R is close to SL in that respect. It is too much to hope for improved AF compared to S1R, I guess. I am still interested, but hard to see how SL2 will substantively differentiate from S1R. But surprises are - of course - welcome! It is my hope that it be a different sensor than the S1R, but I’m not certain. It got to be better in DR than S1R for sure. If it is based on S1R sensor, than AF will likely be same as S1R based on same architecture. If it were a different sensor, than a PDAF & CDAF hybrid AF can be possible. A lot also depends on the processor power as I suspect the lack of AF tracking reliability actually depends more on processing power (or speed of calculation) than the type of AF. The Sony A9II promotion spec states that the AF tracking calculates 60 times per second. Although the SL offers 11 frames per Sec shooting speed. It essentially takes mostly rubbish as far as AF tracking on AFC mode ending up with mostly out of focus pics. Folks quickly jump into conclusion that the SL was useless for AF tracking moving subject. My own experience tells that dropping from Continuous high mode to Continuous medium mode improved AF tracking reliability so much more. Therefore it is the calculation speed that matters more and six frames per sec with reliable AF tracking means much more that faster but rubbish. Anyway in 31 days we will know for certain ‘what is what’ ending all the fun on speculation. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcolinger Posted October 9, 2019 Share #679  Posted October 9, 2019 You seem optimistic ! Let’s hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anickpick Posted October 9, 2019 Share #680  Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) If the SL2 had PDAF & CDAF hybrid AF, they would have named it „Luke“. Edited October 9, 2019 by anickpick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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