Favorite lens with your CL?

[Sjz]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

My most used lens - the 18mm.  It makes the camera easy to carry and so is usually in my work backpack.  That makes it my favourite.

(options are the 18-56 and 55-135 - I have not tried SL lens or M)

I think the TL 35 ‘Lux images stand out in this forum though.

[Advertisement]

The Leica Q3 is available for pre-order at B&H Photo Video and Adorama

[cj3209]

On 7/25/2020 at 7:32 PM, stephengv said:

 

Not exciting, but it is worth it? It is quite expensive. 

You can get a used 23mmTL for around $1,300 USD now in good condition.  If you don't like it, you can pretty much get most of it back. 

The TL zooms are too big and slow for me hence the reason why I have both the 35 and 60TLs.  The funny thing is, I am constantly using the 23 largely due to its compact size and similarity to a normal 35mm perspective, which I actually prefer to a normal 50mm but that's just the way I shoot.

Good luck!

CJ

[Michael Markey]

I`m new to the CL and even more so to the CL lenses having previously used my M lenses on the camera .

The 23mmTL was the first native lens I purchased and am very pleased with both size ,weight and rendering . 

[Guest]

My favourite lens for the CL is the Elmarit-M 24mm. I often combine it with a Summicron-M 50mm (50-years version). I only use M lenses. While I am not a fan of focus peaking, I love the magnification function of the CL.

 

[stephengv]

8 hours ago, cj3209 said:

You can get a used 23mmTL for around $1,300 USD now in good condition.  If you don't like it, you can pretty much get most of it back. 

The TL zooms are too big and slow for me hence the reason why I have both the 35 and 60TLs.  The funny thing is, I am constantly using the 23 largely due to its compact size and similarity to a normal 35mm perspective, which I actually prefer to a normal 50mm but that's just the way I shoot.

Good luck!

CJ

Thank you for your recommendation. How does the 23 compare to the 35? I already have the 35Lux, but its quite heavy. 

[cj3209]

3 hours ago, stephengv said:

Thank you for your recommendation. How does the 23 compare to the 35? I already have the 35Lux, but its quite heavy. 

Honestly, I haven't used the 35 much, especially during this pandemic which limits my photographic opportunities....lol.

I was hoping to use it in low light situations such as dusk and nighttime shoots but again, no opportunities right now so it sits inside a comfortable bag waiting for the lockdown to lift more...lol.

CJ

[stephengv]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

Just curious, can the CL with 23 match the Q?

[Torpille]

5 hours ago, stephengv said:

Thank you for your recommendation. How does the 23 compare to the 35? I already have the 35Lux, but its quite heavy. 

Hi,

The 35mm is a very good lens. 
the 23mm a good one. 
if you are a 35 shooter go for it. 
Otherwise i would take the 18mm. It makes the camera very compact and and the IQ is almost as good as the 23mm. 

 

 

[cj3209]

59 minutes ago, stephengv said:

Just curious, can the CL with 23 match the Q?

It's apples to oranges.  😁

The Q is a FF 24mp sensor with a fixed 28mm f1.7 lens.  The CL is a 24mp cropped APS sensor with the ability to use various lenses.  They are very different cameras built for different uses.

I happen to have and use a Q2  and I will go out on a limb and state that although I believe the Q/Q2 is a better camera overall than the CL, you can take pics out of the CL that will rival the Q, all things being similar (can't be equal).  It's just that the Q (Q2) has a better body/ergonomics, legendary fast lens, and a better feel for me when shooting.

See an interesting comparison:  https://mrleica.com/leica-cl-vs-leica-q-review-photos-q2-qp/  I think the pics from both cameras are quite similar so to answer your question, I believe the CL can match with the Q. 

Cheers!

[stephengv]

5 hours ago, cj3209 said:

It's apples to oranges.  😁

The Q is a FF 24mp sensor with a fixed 28mm f1.7 lens.  The CL is a 24mp cropped APS sensor with the ability to use various lenses.  They are very different cameras built for different uses.

I happen to have and use a Q2  and I will go out on a limb and state that although I believe the Q/Q2 is a better camera overall than the CL, you can take pics out of the CL that will rival the Q, all things being similar (can't be equal).  It's just that the Q (Q2) has a better body/ergonomics, legendary fast lens, and a better feel for me when shooting.

See an interesting comparison:  https://mrleica.com/leica-cl-vs-leica-q-review-photos-q2-qp/  I think the pics from both cameras are quite similar so to answer your question, I believe the CL can match with the Q. 

Cheers!

Thank you, will check the link

[Marac]

When I used native lenses on the CL my favourite was the 35 Lux.

Now I'v sold them all and shoot with M-mount lenses from Voigtlander, I really enjoy the 10mm and also the 35mm f1.2

Edited July 30, 2020 by Marac
typos :)

[nicci78]

On 7/28/2020 at 7:46 PM, stephengv said:

Just curious, can the CL with 23 match the Q?

Nope. Q and Q2 in 35mm crop is better than Summicron-TL 23mm. 
Of course Q at 28mm is miles and miles away of Elmarit-TL 18mm. 
Q2 at 50mm is almost on par with Summilux-TL 35mm.  
Q2 at 75mm crop is almost on par with Summicron-M 50mm on CL. 

 

I think that CL is a better choice  than the Q. But the Q2 is a better choice than CL  

For video Q2 at every crop mode smokes the Q and the CL with whatever lenses. 
 

My advice : buy a Q2 first. If you still have money to spare : buy the CL for your M or R lenses. Don’t bother with TL lenses. 

Edited July 30, 2020 by nicci78

[cj3209]

52 minutes ago, nicci78 said:

Nope. Q and Q2 in 35mm crop is better than Summicron-TL 23mm. 
Of course Q at 28mm is miles and miles away of Elmarit-TL 18mm. 
Q2 at 50mm is almost on par with Summilux-TL 35mm.  
Q2 at 75mm crop is almost on par with Summicron-M 50mm on CL. 

 

I think that CL is a better choice  than the Q. But the Q2 is a better choice than CL  

For video Q2 at every crop mode smokes the Q and the CL with whatever lenses. 
 

My advice : buy a Q2 first. If you still have money to spare : buy the CL for your M or R lenses. Don’t bother with TL lenses. 

Thankfully, this is his opinion.  I tend to shy away from broad generalizations that lead to less great pics and more unused gear.

My advice is to get the camera that best fits your budget and shooting style.  There’s tons of info on the web that discusses this; the differences between the CL and Q/Q2 are mostly dependent on the user, IMHO.  Choose accordingly and good luck!

Cheers!

[jaapv]

11 hours ago, nicci78 said:

Nope. Q and Q2 in 35mm crop is better than Summicron-TL 23mm. 
Of course Q at 28mm is miles and miles away of Elmarit-TL 18mm. 
Q2 at 50mm is almost on par with Summilux-TL 35mm.  
Q2 at 75mm crop is almost on par with Summicron-M 50mm on CL. 

 

I think that CL is a better choice  than the Q. But the Q2 is a better choice than CL  

For video Q2 at every crop mode smokes the Q and the CL with whatever lenses. 
 

My advice : buy a Q2 first. If you still have money to spare : buy the CL for your M or R lenses. Don’t bother with TL lenses. 

You use the word "better" every other sentence. You know as well as anybody else that it is meaningless in this context. The only thing that is better in the end is the photograph, and that bears very little relationship to the gear used. I cannot recall seeing any of your "better" photographs on this forum. Could you please point them out to substantiate your opinions?
If you like point-and shoots, by all means use the Q(2). It is probably the best on the market, albeit vastly overpriced compared to other offerings of its kind. But of little interest to me, as it is a lame camera for longer focal lengths. And I don't mean a piddling 75 mm.

[nicci78]

If you really want, I can take time to dig up my test shots.

High ISO : Q vs CL & Q2 vs CL  

Q 28 vs CL/SEM 21 or Q28/35 vs CL/TL 11-23 or Q 28 vs CL/TL 18 or Q 35 vs CL/TL 23 or Q2 50 vs CL/TL 35 or Q2 75 vs CL/R 50 

It is quite a lot of work to post them again here. You can find some of them already posted under my pseudo in the french forum www.summilux.net 
 

I did not posted yet the latest test shots if Q2 vs Summilux-TL 35 and vs Summarit-M 50 or Summicron-R 50. But the conclusion were clear enough to make me sell the TL 35 and to be ready to sell the 50mm. 

For now my  personal photos are still personal. Because in the last three years, it mainly includes my little daughter. And I would not post any of hers on the Internet. And I do not use any social network. I am a firm believer that they are evil. 
 

So let me some time and you will some comparison. 
Just be assure that I did back my opinion with a proper test, before selling the matching TL lens.
And you should know that I did try to like them more than the Q or Q2. But Summilux-Q 28mm is too great to lose.

 

Last my definition of better : resolution homogeneity (Center and outer third), bokeh, close up ability, and whatever relevant.  

For example TL 18mm. Quite small isn’t it ? But still not pocketable with CL. So I paired it with the T. Great combo. Thanks to 18mm having the fastest AF among all TL lenses. 
Its issues ? Lack of uniformity for landscape. Not impressive bokeh. Ugly star when shooting the sun. Impossible to use in zone focus mode (except with the T), lack of contrast in very bright day. Whatever you can think of it. It is not a competition at all against mighty Q. 
 

 

 

[nicci78]

I do really know Q, CL and Q2 by heart. I shot with them extensively. Almost since their respective launch. 

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

[jaapv]

Well,

6 hours ago, nicci78 said:

resolution homogeneity

This is a new one to me. If it means what I think it might mean the impact on snapshots of a child is quite unclear to me.  I have little problems with landscape photography with the TL 18-56 for instance.  Here is the last one I posted in the photo forums.

 

 

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

 

I must say that I struggle with your criteria for photographic excellence. Resolution is one of the least important ones.
Although it is the simplest number to pump into the mind of a prospective buyers, it has very little relevance to the quality of a photograph. And bokeh, well, if you are able to objectively quantify that concept you will be the first to do so.
Just think: isn't comparing resolution and sensor DR as crazy as comparing Tri-X to Delta for grain and tonal range and declaring Delta the winner and rubbishing Tri-X?

I think that obsessing about the diminishing returns of test results has nothing to do with the quality of photography, not even with the usability of gear. Good family snapshots can just as easily be obtained with for instance my iPhone11 pro. There is even a good chance that they'll outperform the Q2 for content and moment.

[Le Chef]

5 hours ago, jaapv said:

Well,

This is a new one to me. If it means what I think it might mean the impact on snapshots of a child is quite unclear to me.  I have little problems with landscape photography with the TL 18-56 for instance.  Here is the last one I posted in the photo forums.

 

 

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

 

I must say that I struggle with your criteria for photographic excellence. Resolution is one of the least important ones.
Although it is the simplest number to pump into the mind of a prospective buyers, it has very little relevance to the quality of a photograph. And bokeh, well, if you are able to objectively quantify that concept you will be the first to do so.
Just think: isn't comparing resolution and sensor DR as crazy as comparing Tri-X to Delta for grain and tonal range and declaring Delta the winner and rubbishing Tri-X?

I think that obsessing about the diminishing returns of test results has nothing to do with the quality of photography, not even with the usability of gear. Good family snapshots can just as easily be obtained with for instance my iPhone11 pro. There is even a good chance that they'll outperform the Q2 for content and moment.

This obsession with measurement reminds me of hi-fi fanatics who spend most of their listening time fiddling with cables and connectors finding something “wrong” with the sound, rather than finding something right with the music. Ella Fitzgerald in concert vs. fiddling with cables? I know what I would prefer to do every time.

It’s the same with photography: enjoy the experience of getting composed shots that make you happy rather than faffing about with pixel peeping and resolution charts.

[Advertisement]

Hallo,

Look here: Leica L-Mount

[stephengv]

39 minutes ago, Le Chef said:

This obsession with measurement reminds me of hi-fi fanatics who spend most of their listening time fiddling with cables and connectors finding something “wrong” with the sound, rather than finding something right with the music. Ella Fitzgerald in concert vs. fiddling with cables? I know what I would prefer to do every time.

It’s the same with photography: enjoy the experience of getting composed shots that make you happy rather than faffing about with pixel peeping and resolution charts.

Well said. Thank you! 

[nicci78]

I do not look for perfection. Just value vs quality. 

The bundles : 
Q2 is 4,990€ 
Q is 3,995€
CL + TL 18-56mm is 3,650€
CL + TL 18mm is 2,995€   
TL2 + TL 18mm is 1,990€  
 

The body only :   
CL is 2,540€    
TL2 is 1,990€

The lenses :   
Elmarit-TL 18mm is 1,215€
Summicron-TL 23mm is 1,735€   
Summilux-TL 35mm is 2,350€  
Vario-Elmarit-TL 18-56mm is 1,585€   
Summarit-M 50mm is 1,635€

If I can tell you that the Q2 can replace all those 5 lenses. Without loss of image quality? Wouldn’t you be ready to save some money ? All those lenses together cost way more than Q2 + CL  

You see Q2 is a real bargain. Buy the CL for long focal lengths, not for standard ones.