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Well for me the decision of getting a Leica M10-D was the following. I'll also post a short summary (TL;DR) at the end, as this might turn out to be a bit longer.   I started photography as

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No, not my only digital camera (SL, TL2 & Monochrom). In part, mostly by removing distraction. This morning I went to a fascinating lecture by a neurologist, talking specifically about

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Yes, I'm very happy with my M10-D. I agonised for several months whether to get the M10-P or the M10-D. I read all the reviews and comments I could find. I bought the M10-D 3 weeks ago, so fairly new

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Have you sent this video to Leica? If not I'd email it to Customer Service before you have them arrange to have the camera collected and shipped in for service. I don't know how many times I can say this, but that rear dial is really stupid and badly conceived. Why they didn't keep the on/off switch around the shutter dial I don't know as it's where everyone's M muscle memory is comfortable. There's the the "new" thumb grip/faux wind lever there of course and that they might argue would have made keeping the on/off switch there a problem, but film M's like the M7 are fine with that film-wind lever/shutter release/camera on-off arrangement. An alternative "switch" for the WiFi might have had to have been found perhaps if it was thought that the on/off switch would not be a good place to add that function but that wouldn't have been too hard a problem to sort,  maybe activate the WiFi with a +5 second press on the front Focus Aid button for instance (?)

.......What a PITA, rattle a cage over this!

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9 minutes ago, petermullett said:

Have you sent this video to Leica? If not I'd email it to Customer Service before you have them arrange to have the camera collected and shipped in for service. I don't know how many times I can say this, but that rear dial is really stupid and badly conceived. Why they didn't keep the on/off switch around the shutter dial I don't know as it's where everyone's M muscle memory is comfortable. There's the the "new" thumb grip/faux wind lever there of course and that they might argue would have made keeping the on/off switch there a problem, but film M's like the M7 are fine with that film-wind lever/shutter release/camera on-off arrangement. An alternative "switch" for the WiFi might have had to have been found perhaps if it was thought that the on/off switch would not be a good place to add that function but that wouldn't have been too hard a problem to sort,  maybe activate the WiFi with a +5 second press on the front Focus Aid button for instance (?)

.......What a PITA, rattle a cage over this!

I'm quite happy with the layout and love the thumb grip.  I usually leave the camera on anyway and occasionally dial it to wi-fi to download the images.  It's just not working.

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Am 27.11.2019 um 16:44 schrieb petermullett:

Owning both I can say that for personal photography yes, in a heart-beat.....but for any paying job on which I might be using a Leica M, no. That would have to be a M10 with a LCD.

But having said that and despite some features on the camera that still confound me the M10-D is easily my favourite Digital Leica M to date.

 

Got back into M-System with the M10-D 😀 - best ""M" and M-experience I ever had (since M9)

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i am absolutely fond of my M10-D, thumb grip, layout, simplicity, you name it...

but i never use the wifi thingy except for adjusting date/time once in a while - is there no way to adjust date/time differently and still precisely, let's say with a new firmware and some button/key combination ?

and then i am annoyed by the exposure compensation wheel as it is much too loose and keeps changing position so that i actually had to tape it down entirely !  i anyway never made use of it.  i am also not too happy with the main switch itself because it's too soft and can also change position on its own, in a bag for example - which is particularly painful for the wifi position as it drains the battery in an hour or so !

but, in toto, as a whole, i love my M10-D and especially the work style it forces me into - which doesn't differ at all from the way i worked with non-SLR film cameras in the past.  i am here the master taking the picture, not some mindless algorithm, and it's me who screwed up if a setting was wrong.   i can't imagine a better camera for my needs as hobby photographer.

 

PS 1: now something that doesn't really belong here - but i can't understand Leica why the 35mm Summilux doesn't feature a knurled or ridged distance focus ring to make my life easier while focusing...?

PS 2: and let me express many thanks to folks here in this forum who pushed me with chutzpah into getting the M10-D !!!

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I got my M10-D around 11 months ago, I cannot complain about the main switch or the exposure compensation, both dials move gently, not too soft, not too hard. WiFi (takes approx. 40sec to initiate it...) I use occasionally to try out different settings, but never for image downloads. Now, after around 4000shots, I can say, I would buy the camera again. The only thing to improve is to shorten the wake up time.

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So, as I have said more than once in the M10-D threads I am really happy with this "LCD-less" version of the M10 and again despite a couple of real complaints about the camera's design and function this remains my favourite digital M to date.

However, this is how it goes out with me, black paper camera tape over the rear off/on/wifi outer dial to stop the damn thing turning on the Wifi function that I rarely use but still without the tape I can accidentally turn WiFi on anyway by turning the dial beyond "on" and then discover that error when the battery craps out prematurely, ( I keep it taped to the "on" position all the time and for me that works fine with one battery lasting for my usage most of a day ). I also tape off the compensation dial to minus one click as that dial too has been known to wander with camera handling. Lastly I tape the hot-shoe cover because having lost one within a week of ownership and had to buy a stupidly expensive replacement black tape comes to the rescue yet again.

I actually do not have much problem with taping the camera in this way, coming from cinematography it is normal to have tape all over the gear here and there, BUT I have to say that to have to do this with a $7500 stills camera body should really not happen, it should have been designed better. I have contacted Leica several times about this and other M10-D issues but all have been ignored which is a shame. Even if they do not agree with users suggestions and yes some complaints a constructive reply would be good now and again

 

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3 minutes ago, AndreasG said:

I am curious, what is your reason for this permanent overexposure?

Hello Adreas, I don't have the camera in front of me right now but the setting is actually one "click" under-exposure......I find that works best for me overall.

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10 hours ago, kaisernchen said:

M10-D is my favorite digital Leica M, not perfect but good enough.  Camera setting from Leica FOTOS is OK but could be improved substantially, and faster.  

My image journal with Leica M10-D since January 2019, https://www.kaisernchen.com/post/leica-m10-d-diary  almost a year with Leica M10-D and keep going. 

Lovely photos and a good read, although I don't think I would leave my M10-D half buried in the snow!  Q2 and M10-D make good travel companions.

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5 hours ago, TangoCharlie27 said:

they are my two travel cameras, especially with the Q2 being somewhat waterproof.  But my M10-D is currently in the Leica Hospital!  :(

M10-D deal with varies weather nicely although I have no being using it under poring rain.  The bigger problem is the water drops in the front element and difficult to keep it clear.  M10-D is robust. 

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On 1/6/2020 at 1:24 PM, Anika said:

What would be the perfect setting then?

For me I shoot DNG RAW, auto white balance. You also set up the drive mode and ISO settings ie your exposure for the M on the ISO dial. 
 

Once I did that I’ve never gone into these setting again. Maybe once to change the drive more for a special shoot I was doing. 

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coming back to the issue of the  M10-D's main switch : i would have loved to see the new M10 monochrom's main switch on my M10-D, instead of that problematic wheel solution.  meanwhile i got used to the wheel - but in my opinion having the main switch associated with the shutter button is more intuitive and more common.

to petermullett : my black tape solution looks very similar to yours...

now, to turn the tables, i would love to get an M10-M without that screen, and then call it a M10-DM or something similar.  the exposure compensation button may still come as a metal wheel as it's the case on the M10-D or the M60 or M-D, but perhaps with some sort of a safety lock.  and then last - of course, how could i forget - an M10-DM with that lovely thumb rest which i begin to appreciate the more i use the M10-D.

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5 hours ago, fenykepesz said:

... and then last - of course, how could i forget - an M10-DM with that lovely thumb rest which i begin to appreciate the more i use the M10-D.

I also like the thumbrest but I think that thing is the reason Leica had to move the switch to the rearside. Otherwise you would turn the camera on (or off) by flipping it out (or in). 

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