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👍 for Leica Marketing Mastering "Apo-asph. Masterpieces"

"... a total of 13 elements ..."

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🎲maybe the second "full frame Apo 35mm" could be "Apo-Noctilux-M 1/35 asph." then.

Time for me to begin selling some "not use gear" while waiting for this ultimate Nocti 😉

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It would be a big, heavy and expensive approach.  Wouldn't it be a better approach to improve the "usable ISO" for 2 stops then a 35mm lux will become a 35mm Noct. 

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vor 11 Stunden schrieb dkmoore:

Agreed but most likely they would take a similar design approach, perfect.

Are 35s any less prone to aberrations than a 75mm (serious question)?

I agree. Wide angles are more prone to abberations. 

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1 hour ago, jaeger said:

It would be a big, heavy and expensive approach.  Wouldn't it be a better approach to improve the "usable ISO" for 2 stops then a 35mm lux will become a 35mm Noct. 

I think modern cameras already have good enough ISO capabilities to shoot in available light. But ISO can not make shallower DOF! That's why we still want fast lenses. 😉

But I'm sure it will be expensive, and probably too big for my taste. However, I would pay anything for small Noctilux!

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5 hours ago, evikne said:

modern cameras already have good enough ISO capabilities to shoot in available light.

M doesn't stands for modern.

 

5 hours ago, evikne said:

shallower DOF

the biggest enemy of bokeh/DOF is wide angel lenses. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, jaeger said:

the biggest enemy of bokeh/DOF is wide angel lenses. 

With 35mm at f/1.4–2.0 and a proper relation between foreground and background one can still achieve lots of bokeh. Actually I find such "wide angle bokeh" especially fascinating. 

And at f/1.0 it would be even better!

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Both the 21 & 28 Summiluxes can provide intersting bokeh, if used with care.  The 21 is Not as sharp as the 28 wide open, but not bad.  Granted, as Evikne says, you need to be close enough to your subject to get the benefit of the shallow dof, but it is easily achievable.  Jono’s test shots with the 28 amply demonstrate this. 

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On 3/5/2019 at 3:09 AM, mikeamosau said:

Depends on what is considered a 35mm Noctilux...f/0.95, f1.0, f1.25? All would have a big effects on the size. I personally hope it would be at least f/1.0

That Zenit thing is a bit of a monster. Has there been any images posted that were taken with that lens? 

https://www.thephoblographer.com/2018/09/27/first-impressions-zenit-m-digital-rangefinder-camera/

 

https://www.cinema5d.com/zenit-m-with-35mm-f-1-0-lens-russian-legendary-brand-enters-digital-age-interview-and-footage/

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2 hours ago, pico said:

That is intriguing. Would you please elaborate?

it's as simple as I said, I can't elaborate more.   Or you are picking on my typo?  "angle" ok?

IkarusJohn is correct but ONLY if the subject is close enough.

 

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2 hours ago, evikne said:

With 35mm at f/1.4–2.0 and a proper relation between foreground and background one can still achieve lots of bokeh. Actually I find such "wide angle bokeh" especially fascinating. 

And at f/1.0 it would be even better!

Yes again if the subject is close enough.  If you really like bokeh why don't you pick up a 50Lux or tele lens, it is a real question and not being sarcastic.

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There’s something curious about the wide angle of view and shallow depth of field.  Maybe it’s a cliché like landscapes with everything in focus, moving water like mist in some ethereal Celtic movie or telephotos with just a little in focus?  My preference is for the subject to be in focus and for the “effect” not to be the main purpose of the image.

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7 hours ago, jaeger said:

If you really like bokeh why don't you pick up a 50Lux or tele lens, it is a real question and not being sarcastic.

OK, I'll try to explain. Of course I use longer focal lengths too. 50 mm is my favorite. I have both Summilux and Noctilux, and a 75 mm Summilux. But for some reason I think the bokeh from tele lenses longer than that look mostly boring. Maybe because our subconsciousness tells us that "everybody" can achieve a blurred background with a tele lens.

And maybe for the same reason I think wide angle bokeh is especially attractive and fascinating: The combination of wide angle and shallow DOF it is less common and more difficult to achieve. You preferably need a FF camera and a fast wide angle prime lens, you must be close to your subject, and the subject needs some distance to the background. And the background also needs certain qualities to give a pleasant bokeh effect. I also often like the dramatic perspective when going up close with a wide angle lens.

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you seem to answered your own question and verified my answer too. 

The conclusion is that two F steps wouldn't give you much bokeh in wide angle.

Anyway, you can google "toy city" image to see how it would look.  It's kind funny but was that similar to what you are looking for?

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vor 14 Stunden schrieb jaeger:

you seem to answered your own question and verified my answer too. 

The conclusion is that two F steps wouldn't give you much bokeh in wide angle.

Anyway, you can google "toy city" image to see how it would look.  It's kind funny but was that similar to what you are looking for?

In my opinion you can see every stop more in a wide angle, while the effect on a Tele lens doesn’t change that drastic. 

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