M Lens to Nikon Z mount adapter

[benqui]

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I am using the Techart AF Adapter on my Nikon Zfc mostly with the 1.4/35 Summilux. In good light it works extremely good, including eye detection. In darker places you get some unsharp images. 

[LarsHP]

5 hours ago, benqui said:

I am using the Techart AF Adapter on my Nikon Zfc mostly with the 1.4/35 Summilux. In good light it works extremely good, including eye detection. In darker places you get some unsharp images. 

When using crop format (APS-C / DX), the problematic areas are mostly cut away.

AF and IBIS are some of the obvious advantages we get when using modern mirrorless cameras over the M cameras. In fact, the lack of IBIS in the M cameras is a huge dealbreaker to me. Digital Leica M cameras are silly expensive and lack the modern features most take for granted.

[Lelmer]

19 hours ago, benqui said:

I am using the Techart AF Adapter on my Nikon Zfc mostly with the 1.4/35 Summilux. In good light it works extremely good, including eye detection. In darker places you get some unsharp images. 

Is it better with a Nikon Z lens?

[benqui]

vor 29 Minuten schrieb Lelmer:

Is it better with a Nikon Z lens?

Yes it is.

[Huss]

On 8/29/2023 at 11:45 AM, LarsHP said:

Digital Leica M cameras are silly expensive and lack the modern features most take for granted.

Actually that is the whole point of the M series - film and digital.  They are meant to be stripped down cameras.  That is their raison d'être. 

If you want features - Leica will happily sell you an SL.  As will Sony/Nikon/Canon etc

[lct]

1 hour ago, Huss said:

Actually that is the whole point of the M series - film and digital.  They are meant to be stripped down cameras.  That is their raison d'être. 

Not so sure digital M users want a stripped down camera. What they want is the best compact cameras sporting the best compact lenses and they know that SL cameras cannot offer that. LV and IBIS are good examples. If digital M users wanted a stripped down camera, they would be content with a pure rangefinder and a sluggish EVF. But how justify the price of an M11 if it were unable to do what a mere mirrorless camera can do? Also digital M users don't want a low res camera but they want to be able to take photos at fast but also slow shutter speeds. Problem is, in the digital world, a stripped down camera cannot do that. Leica didn't have enough room to implement IBIS in the M11. Some, if not all, digital M users can understand that but this room will have to be found in the M12, otherwise the M12 won't sell.

Edited August 30, 2023 by lct

[Huss]

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Disagree.  The whole point of the M is just what you need, no frills.  I personally have no interest in the other stuff.  How do you justify the price of an M11?  How do you justify the price of the new M6?  Both outrageously expensive for what they TECHNICALLY offer.

But priced where they are because of what they offer emotionally, haptically and uniquely.    Who else makes a full frame rangefinder camera that uses a digital sensor?  Who else makes a high end 35mm film camera?

You want frills w your M?  Buy an SL.

[TomB_tx]

15 minutes ago, lct said:

Not so sure digital M users want a stripped down camera. What they want is the best compact cameras sporting the best compact lenses and they know that SL cameras cannot offer that. LV and IBIS are good examples. If digital M users wanted a stripped down camera, they would be content with a pure rangefinder and a sluggish EVF. But how justify the price of an M11 if it were unable to do what a mere mirrorless camera can do? Also digital M users don't want a low res camera but they want to be able to take photos at fast but also slow shutter speeds. Problem is, in the digital world, a stripped down camera cannot do that. Leica didn't have enough room to implement IBIS in the the M11. Some, if not all, digital M users can understand that but this room will have to be found in the M12, otherwise the M12 won't sell.

Disagree a bit - What I enjoy about Leica digital RFs is that the process of capturing the photo is identical to my experience in using M film cameras for 50 years. They also give the results I could "see" when I took the photo. I could care less about megapixels, post processing etc. - and never wanted an autofocus camera. The M9 had more resolution than I need. Live view on the M10 just has the advantage of not needing an accessory VF for every ultra wide angle, as one 020 covers all if I need it. I find joy in the familiar process of capturing the image, and manual focus is part of that. Although I'm not as steady as 50 years ago, hand-holding at 1/30 still gives good results, so IBIS is just a complexity in the mechanism that I don't want. The M11s added gadgets just turned me off. But I wouldn't be in the market for an M12 anyway, so I'm not Leica's target market.

[lct]

3 minutes ago, Huss said:

You want frills w your M?  Buy an SL.

Not sure what i would do with such a bulky camera. Even my R4s is much smaller. My Kolari mod A7r2 gives me almost all i need, except two things: the RF experience and the best compatibility with M lenses. The M11 fills that gap except for one thing: IBIS and i would not hate a global shutter either.

[Huss]

Maybe you're right, and that's what's coming..  I used to have a Fuji Xpro3 and the hybrid OVF/EVF was a work of art. Did not add any bulk to the camera.  The tech is there - has been for years now - so Leica could add a hybrid EVF/OVF finder if they wanted.  It wouldn't interfere w the OVF rf mechanism because it is just this tiny membrane that slides in front of the VF.

But why would Leica do that when they are selling the crappy clip on finder for an extra $740?  I sold my Fuji because I just enjoy the manual OVF rf focus experience.  Fuji does not give you that even in the OVF mode, because it does not have an optical RF.  When you manual focus in the OVF mode, a teeny screen appears in the bottom corners that is a mini EVF.

I just don't see Leica doing it, their customers want an M that is like a film M.  Then again, what else will they offer with the M12/13/14?  Sensor resolution is already more than most anyone needs.

[madNbad]

5 minutes ago, Huss said:

Then again, what else will they offer with the M12/13/14?  

Netflix.

[lct]

Not sure where the problem is actually. The optical VF of the M11 is almost perfect already. Only issue i see is slow shutter speeds that cannot be used handheld w/o blur. Only solution is IBIS unless new techniques have been discovered i'm not aware of. Anyway it doesn't take a rocket scientist to suspect that IBIS will be implemented soon or late so this otherwise interesting discussion seems rather academical with all due respect to my distinguished opponents

[Photon42]

IBIS would fit the philosophy of the M and will eventually come.

[LarsHP]

On 8/30/2023 at 10:46 PM, Huss said:

Actually that is the whole point of the M series - film and digital.  They are meant to be stripped down cameras.  That is their raison d'être. 

If you want features - Leica will happily sell you an SL.  As will Sony/Nikon/Canon etc

You didn't get the important part of my post: silly expensive - while lacking important features that other camera manufacturers all have.

I consider IBIS as a basic foundation in today's digital cameras.

If you don't want to use AF or IBIS, then turn it off. If you sell me a camera without these features, then sell it at an appropriately lower price, not at extravagantly higher prices.

BTW: The original Leica SL doesn't have IBIS either, and the SL series (just like the Panasonic S series) are way too large and heavy to my eyes and hands.

Edited September 1, 2023 by LarsHP

[lct]

Expensive yes but why silly? I would not buy a Porsche if i wanted a cheap car. This said, M cameras have always been made to allow for slow shutter speeds. The M11, and perhaps the M10-R i have no experience with, are exceptions that tend to negate this ethos and solutions must be found to stop that.

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, LarsHP said:

You didn't get the important part of my post: silly expensive - while lacking important features that other camera manufacturers all have.

I consider IBIS as a basic foundation in today's digital cameras.

If you don't want to use AF or IBIS, then turn it off. If you sell me a camera without these features, then sell it at an appropriately lower price, not at extravagantly higher prices.

BTW: The original Leica SL doesn't have IBIS either, and the SL series (just like the Panasonic S series) are way too large and heavy to my eyes and hands.

You don’t understand the concept of the M.  It is meant for people who want a simplistic system of high quality. Which means fewer features for a higher price. There are other cameras-quite nice ones for those who want all bells and whistles. Less expensive too. But that is not the M customer base. Think on this: How come that Leica manages to sell an M camera without LCD without making it a cheaper model? 
As for IBIS. It may well be that it will come -when it can be done without bloating the camera and causing heat dissipation problems. 

[Alberti]

16 hours ago, Photon42 said:

IBIS would fit the philosophy of the M and will eventually come.

I hope not.

Of course. There are camera's where IBIS is the only way for the 'system' (body, sensor, lens, "user") to make sense.

[LarsHP]

5 hours ago, jaapv said:

You don’t understand the concept of the M.  It is meant for people who want a simplistic system of high quality. Which means fewer features for a higher price. (...)

We disagree. Why people buy a certain camera system will be subjective and individual. For instance, I agree with what LCT says above:

"Not so sure digital M users want a stripped down camera. What they want is the best compact cameras sporting the best compact lenses ..."

That's also why I have invested in the M system, both historically and today (even though I don't own a Leica M camera today for the reasons explained above).

[jaapv]

The point, however, is that  the M is not stripped down (from what more highly featured model??) but exactly tailored to  the  expectations of its customers. They prefer their money to pay for haptics, build quality, image quality, overall experience, etc. Should they have interest in an all-singin', all dancin' mirrorless, they'll add it to their gear.

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[lct]

What Jaap is describing here is the traditional part of Leica customers. There are also more progressive customers like Lars and perhaps in-between ones like me. For now, Leica tries to take care of all of us with both M10 and M11 cameras.