M10- FW Requests/Bug Reports

[pnoble]

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@pnoble - or, return to the M9 programming that simply stopped a long exposure (recording no picture) if the camera was turned off during the exposure. "Ooops - lens cap!" - camera off, then on, and back to shooting in 5 seconds.

 

Warning you of a small aperture won't happen - not without major surgery to the lens construction, a complete redesign of the M system, and physically larger lenses. There is no physical interconnect between the aperture ring and the camera, so the camera has no idea what aperture your lens is set for. It can estimate the aperture in previous M digitals (comparing light coming through the lens, with the ambient brightness via an external sensor) but that is just the computer "guessing." That feature is gone from the M10 - for the moment - but already on this list and others requesting its return ASAP.

 

Back around 1970, when everyone else was already putting meters in their cameras, Leica advertised the meterless M4 as "The THINK camera" - i.e. it wasn't going to save the bacon of a less-than-attentive and committed photographer. Users have to pay attention, with Leicas.

 

https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2014/01/leicam4_1.jpg

Adan,

 

I understand the limitations of the M design and could understand Leica not ever wanting to display in camera an approximated aperture value, but displaying ISO could also alert one to an unintended extreme aperture setting. With respect to shutter lockout or warning with lens cap on, I don't see why not as an option for those not intending to shoot in total or very close to total darkness.

[adan]

You are aware that the M10 already does give you low-light/long-exposure/lens cap warnings in the optical viewfinder?

 

In aperture-prority mode the auto-set shutter speed and a red dot flash desperately to warn you if the shutter time will be long (with a coded lens 1/focal length shutter speed, otherwise starting at 1/15th sec.)

 

In manual-metering mode, the left (right-pointing > ) metering arrow also flashes as a long-speed low-light warning - assuming you don't notice it is also indicating under-exposure.

 

As to ISO - enhh! One of the main reasons I did NOT buy an M240 was the constant distracting display of ISO at the beginning of each metering session. Fortunately the M10 ISO dial eliminates that irritation.

[pnoble]

Good point, Adan! Frankly, since the shutter speed tends to hover in the same 1/(2f) range I don't pay much attention to it. I'd personally like the M240 initial ISO reading in the display as an option since I keep ISO in auto.

Edited July 28, 2017 by pnoble

[adan]

I do agree that the LED ISO readout of Auto  is not very helpful in auto ISO mode.

 

I guess the point is that in auto mode, the ISO is constantly changing depending on what you point the lens at (light or dark subjects, more or less light), so even if the camera tells you 6400 - that may not be what the final picture is taken with anyway. Unless you pause to check the ISO reading per shot and "lock it in" by holding down the shutter button slightly - which in my view defeats the whole purpose of auto-ISO (freedom to shoot rapidly without paying any attention to the ISO being used, knowing you will at least get a good exposure).

 

Anyway, it is a fair request. I'm sure Leica will take it under advisement as with most such ideas, and weigh the pros and cons. Maybe the M240 system of always showing the ISO will be written back in - IF the ISO dial is set to M or A.

[Tailwagger]

Too many informations kill information, in my case.

 

My dream is LED not shown in VF in "Manual mode / Menu setting" *.i

Along those lines, a half shutter press results all the shooing info showing up in the EVF.  This drives me nuts.  A half press means I'm about to take the photograph. Using the EVF means I'm critically concerned with framing. To be chopping the frame top and bottom right at the point when I've already decide everything else is in readiness is very annoying.  If not fully defeatable the info display, at least allow an option to reverse when it shows up. 

Edited July 28, 2017 by Tailwagger

[willemr]

If I may add a +10 on the 'Disable Noise Redunction' feature, and +10 for max Bulb of at least 120 sec regardless of the ISO setting.

Now I need to have another camera with me for long exposures

[John Black]

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Whenever I use exposure comp. to take a photo, the review shows the correct comp. for the first time. The second time I review the photo, it always shows -3 expo. comp.

 

+1

 

Doesn't matter if the EC is set at +1, +2/3, -1, etc...  Always shows -3 on the image review screen starting with the 2nd review and thereafter.  

[SKD]

+1

 

Doesn't matter if the EC is set at +1, +2/3, -1, etc...  Always shows -3 on the image review screen starting with the 2nd review and thereafter.

 

same problem with my M10

[willemr]

I didn't go through the entire thread (couldn't find this request in the opening post), but an option to use the exposure compensation on the scroll wheel only when the shutter is half-pressed would be nice. When I walk around with the camera on a wrist strap I accidentally move the scroll wheel numerous times. This is annoying when you come home and many photos are over / underexposed (I try to chimp as less as possible).

[jdlaing]

I didn't go through the entire thread (couldn't find this request in the opening post), but an option to use the exposure compensation on the scroll wheel only when the shutter is half-pressed would be nice. When I walk around with the camera on a wrist strap I accidentally move the scroll wheel numerous times. This is annoying when you come home and many photos are over / underexposed (I try to chimp as less as possible).

A habit I got into is when putting the camera to my eye the first thing I do is look for exposure comp at the bottom of the viewfinder. My issue was forgetting to reset it to zero after using it and had no problem bumping the wheel.

[willemr]

A habit I got into is when putting the camera to my eye the first thing I do is look for exposure comp at the bottom of the viewfinder. My issue was forgetting to reset it to zero after using it and had no problem bumping the wheel.

 

Normally I do the same, but when I'm running the streets I tend to aim and shoot, and not looking through the viewfinder (Thus missing the visual EC setting). But I do think that the biggest problem will be gone once my thumpie arrives. That should improve grip.

[jdlaing]

It should do just that.

 

There is the option to disable it.

[willemr]

But I do use the EC on normal usage quite a lot. So that it's available on the scroll wheel is ++, but if there's a setting in the menu that would enable EC through the scroll wheel when half pressing the shutter.... That would eliminate the annoying accidental EC's.

[jdlaing]

It's worth a try but I'm not sure that is doable with just firmware.

[NDOC]

I seem to have stumbled upon an odd problem. If I mount a vintage M39 lens via an adapter on my M10 with the drive mode set to continuous, the Visoflex EVF and the LV in the LCD will shutoff after a second or two and will not come back on if I depress the shutter halfway. I have to turn the camera off and then on again to get the Visoflex/LV LCD image back. But even then it will again switch off after a short while. Sometimes the Visoflex/LCD will stay on, but not usually. The other weird thing that happens is about half the time the camera doesn't sense that a lens is attached at all, no matter what the lens detect in the menu was set for. 

 

However, if I set the drive mode to single, those problems go away completely. Very strange. It's not a huge problem for me to use the camera in single shot mode, but it would be nice to use continuous mode with my vintage glass. 

 

I have no problems with the Visoflex or LCD with my Leica M lenses or my Zeiss 50mm Planar M. The firmware version is 1.9.4.0.

[mdemeyer]

Add Summicron 40mm to the manual lens selection list. Don't see it in the M10.

[UliWer]

I seem to have stumbled upon an odd problem. If I mount a vintage M39 lens via an adapter on my M10 with the drive mode set to continuous, the Visoflex EVF and the LV in the LCD will shutoff after a second or two and will not come back on if I depress the shutter halfway. I have to turn the camera off and then on again to get the Visoflex/LV LCD image back. But even then it will again switch off after a short while. Sometimes the Visoflex/LCD will stay on, but not usually. The other weird thing that happens is about half the time the camera doesn't sense that a lens is attached at all, no matter what the lens detect in the menu was set for. 

 

However, if I set the drive mode to single, those problems go away completely. Very strange. It's not a huge problem for me to use the camera in single shot mode, but it would be nice to use continuous mode with my vintage glass. 

 

I have no problems with the Visoflex or LCD with my Leica M lenses or my Zeiss 50mm Planar M. The firmware version is 1.9.4.0.

 

 

If the adapter doesn't cover the little sensor to read the 6-bit-code completely lens detection and LiveView don't work properly.

 

Already described here https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268492-m10-fw-requestsbug-reports/page-9?do=findComment&comment=3236351 and I did inform Leica directly about this.

[UliWer]

There is another bug with lens detection: 

 

The new Macro-Adapter-M (14652) is coded, so it should be recognized by automatic lens detection. It is not - if you set lens detection on "Auto" and attach the adapter, the response will be "uncoded".

 

If you try to choose a lens detection manually from the list - the obvious choice would be the old "Macro-Adapter-M+90 f/4 14409" you also get the response "uncoded".

[NDOC]

If the adapter doesn't cover the little sensor to read the 6-bit-code completely lens detection and LiveView don't work properly.

 

Already described here https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268492-m10-fw-requestsbug-reports/page-9?do=findComment&comment=3236351 and I did inform Leica directly about this.

 

You're wrong, it's not the same problem. As I described, my problem only shows up when the drive mode is set to continuous. And setting the lens detect to manual has no effect.

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[mweiner]

Given the occurrences of ISO dial failure suddenly making the camera essentially unusable and given the relative workability of using the menu to set ISO (if the dial is left on 'M'), many M10 users are not using the dial.   If there were an _option_ in the menus to have the menu setting override the dial, folks could use the dial with more confidence.