M10- FW Requests/Bug Reports

[jdlaing]

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Bug:

 

When I switch from a coded lens to my uncoded Elmar-M 50mm, it automatically sets the last manually selected lens in the metadata. This is great, but it doesn't update the frame lines. I have to go manually pick the lens again, negating all the steps it saved me.

Why would the code update or change the frame lines?

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[m2man]

Why would the code update or change the frame lines?

 

The new behavior assumes I am using my last uncoded lens.  If that is true, then it should use the frame lines for that lens as well.  Having my 28mm frameline showing and saving 50mm metadata makes no sense.

[jdlaing]

The new behavior assumes I am using my last uncoded lens. If that is true, then it should use the frame lines for that lens as well. Having my 28mm frameline showing and saving 50mm metadata makes no sense.

The frame lines don't work that way. The code has absolutely nothing to do with the frame line selection. Nor does picking the lens from the camera menu. The frame lines are selected purely by a cam lever on the lens mount. If the frame lines don't change when a lens is mounted it is a mechanical issue such as lens is not seated correctly.

[Tailwagger]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but if so consider it another vote for the feature.  In addition to the 1, 3, 5 and permanent modes the m240 EVF has an 'until shutter released' auto review mode.  The M10 dropped this feature, which of course, is the one I used.  Most times, I just release, but on occasion when there was a need to review the exposure after capture, I could simply hold the shutter for as long or a short as I wished, which for me, made it the only mode worth using.  The amount of time I might spend looking at the exposure is totally dependent on why I'm looking. Might be a half a second, might be 10. Being forced to decided on a specifc amount of time doesnt work for me. And while hold does somewhat allow that, it requires a second half press to return to LV which just doesnt work for me. Much more natural to release and go back to shooting.  So, I'd like to lobby for that mode's return. After all, Leica's are supposed to be about leaving the decision making in the photographers hands. Taking the one mode away that afforded such control seems contrary to the core philosophy in my view.  

[roger_1987]

Whenever I use exposure comp. to take a photo, the review shows the correct comp. for the first time. The second time I review the photo, it always shows -3 expo. comp.

[happymac]

Has it been mentioned before? Please bring back the estimated aperture value in the exidf data, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, ...

 

Thanks

Tom

[paulsydaus]

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I'd like to propose a feature request called Exposure Lock Display.

 

My workflow is generally full manual. When using the exposure guides, I'd like the ability to see the locked shutter speed during half press of the shutter to make sure I am not too slow. I often work in low light and my workflow requires me to take my eye off the view to check I'm not too slow.

 

Here is my proposed solution:

 

Feature request called: Exposure Lock Display.

Can be enabled or disabled in settings.

When enabled, a second setting can be used to give priority to display shutter speed or ISO value during half press of the shutter.

 

When enabled:

Manual ISO/Manual Shutter: Show either ISO or speed during half press, depending on preference setting above.

 

Manual ISO/Auto Shutter: no effect (continue to show locked shutter speed as per normal operation without this new feature.

 

Auto ISO/Manual Shutter: Show locked ISO value with half press (as per one of the other posters requests).

 

Auto ISO/Auto shutter: same as first case: Show either ISO or speed during half press, depending on preference setting above. If the preference is speed, this would have no effect compared to current operation. However some people may prefer to show locked ISO.

 

Even though I rarely use it, Leica's implementation of auto ISO is second to none. This new feature would make the camera just about perfect by giving more control of what is displayed in the viewfinder and almost completely eliminating the need for most people to take their eye off the viewfinder.

 

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Edited July 21, 2017 by paulsydaus

[paulsydaus]

Has it been mentioned before? Please bring back the estimated aperture value in the exidf data, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, ...

 

Thanks

Tom

Lol yes it's been mentioned. I even described a way for Leica to implement it better than they have previously. I'm willing to start taking donations to fund some of these feature developments if cost is the issue. Leica please PM me and I'm happy to offer my help free of charge.

 

 

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Edited July 21, 2017 by paulsydaus

[riswanc]

Any m10 user have this problem?even change battery and sd card,still damage my present and previous pic

I hVe had the same problem

 

Seems corrupted when transferring, a small glitch but as to be more careful since the original file still reserved in the sdcard

 

 

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[verbivore]

Anyone else have these problems with the M10? 

 

1. When using the Visoflex EVF, at times after the camera goes into power save mode and then is restarted, the EVF does not function. Turning the camera on and off does not help. Nor  does changing the menu settings for whether Live View and Review are displayed on the EVF or LCD. The only thing that works is physically removing the EVF and sliding it back in.

 

2. Though the Leica Macro-Adapter is 6-bit coded, the camera does not recognize it in Auto-lens-detect mode.

 

3. Same problem with the R-Adapter. 

 

4. When using the camera without the EVF, and employing .6 f-stop exposure compensation, the display in Review mode indicates a -3 stops of exposure compensation. The actual amount of exposure compensation, and the metadata in the file, are accurate; it's only the metadata as displayed in the Review mode that it is inaccurate. 

[adan]

Anyone else have these problems with the M10? ......

 

4. When using the camera without the EVF, and employing .6 f-stop exposure compensation, the display in Review mode indicates a -3 stops of exposure compensation. The actual amount of exposure compensation, and the metadata in the file, are accurate; it's only the metadata as displayed in the Review mode that it is inaccurate. 

 

That has been mentioned before. Out of curiosity, which firmware are you using?

 

I've tested for this with my M10 on the original firmware, and can't reproduce the problem, so it may be a bug that crept into the updated firmware(s). My in-camera review "get info" always shows the correct amount of exp. comp. used.

 

(Why am I still on the original FW? Because if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I've had no problems, my SD cards all work fine etc. etc.)

[verbivore]

I've had the problems with all three versions of the firmware, including the most recent. 

[Tailwagger]

Perhaps I've missed something in the manuals, but I haven't be able to find a way to auto-recenter the focus point in the EVF.   It would be nice if a press of the center button (or double click as it seems to be dedicated to info on/off) reset the focus zoom point to center.

[beewee]

Not sure if it's been posted but here is a bug:

 

M10 running FW 1.9.4.0:

When set to EVF with Auto GPS Time on and using the GPS location to determine time zone, the time always defaults to UTC time zone in the metadata. Even after setting the timezone to the local time zone manually, as soon as the EVF is used with GPS, it will go back to UTC time zone.

Edited July 25, 2017 by beewee

[dsalamena]

Talking about possible improvements of this wonderful camera, I have a few suggestions:

 

1) when reviewing a picture, let the user push the front botton to have a quick 100% magnification of the picture. Using the rear wheel is cumbersome and takes time;

 

2) when using the EVF/Live view mode and moving the focus point, allow the front botton or the center botton in the middle of the arrows (maybe with a doble click) to put back the focus point at the center of the screen.

 

3) include a spirit level to EVF/Live view mode. This is very important for any landscape picture.

[pnoble]

Am I the only one who occasionally forgets to remove the lenscap and the camera locks up trying to take a two minute exposure photo wth noise reduction? I thought not!

 

I have to believe that for every M10 owner taking extremely long exposures, there are many, many more who have never done so and never will, never use a tripod, but suffer the consequences of this unencumbered ability to do so more than occasionally.

 

Why not have a two way menu setting: one as now, the other providing a warning in the viewfinder and or exposure lock out if the exposure meter registers below an EV level commensurate with a lens cap blocking the lens? I could understand that the threshold could become a point of contention but I have to believe there is a reasonable level, maybe a function of maximum ISO and minimum shutter speed settings.

 

I just plowed through the entire, very informative thread and was surprised not to have found this previously raised. Am I missing something?

 

Also an indication of ISO in the viewfinder when in A mode would be genuinely useful, as an option. Including as an alert that my APO 50mm aperture ring has shifted itself to f16 just moving from the bag, so little the resistance! Or dreaming on, not only is estimated aperture included in the EXIF data but could optionally be displayed in the viewfinder. Either more useful than shutter speed in my personal use case, where minimum is preset and rarely exceeded.

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[a.noctilux]

Too many informations kill information, in my case.

 

My dream is LED not shown in VF in "Manual mode / Menu setting" *.

Not even the smallest red LED.

Parameters being set, I don't want to look at them anymore.

Nothing to disturb my concentration on framing and composing while waiting for the right moment shutter clic .

 

* Canon had done that in the first full information LED display/or not (physical switch),  decades ago model A1, why not M10 in Menu

[adan]

@pnoble - or, return to the M9 programming that simply stopped a long exposure (recording no picture) if the camera was turned off during the exposure. "Ooops - lens cap!" - camera off, then on, and back to shooting in 5 seconds.

 

Warning you of a small aperture won't happen - not without major surgery to the lens construction, a complete redesign of the M system, and physically larger lenses. There is no physical interconnect between the aperture ring and the camera, so the camera has no idea what aperture your lens is set for. It can estimate the aperture in previous M digitals (comparing light coming through the lens, with the ambient brightness via an external sensor) but that is just the computer "guessing." That feature is gone from the M10 - for the moment - but already on this list and others requesting its return ASAP.

 

Back around 1970, when everyone else was already putting meters in their cameras, Leica advertised the meterless M4 as "The THINK camera" - i.e. it wasn't going to save the bacon of a less-than-attentive and committed photographer. Users have to pay attention, with Leicas.

 

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