Why M240 users will (not) switch to M10

[silverchrome]

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I love photography and using my rangefinders, but it is simply a hobby and no more.  

I do not derive an income from it, so it's hard to justify spending the extra cash for features that do not really enhance my photography.

I can't see myself upgrading until Leica releases something that has features that are more than incremental. 

Edited May 23, 2019 by silverchrome

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[jmahto]

My thoughts exactly. It seems I am done with upgrading unless a larger MP/lighter/betterEVF M appears on used market for half the initial price.

Thet means 2029

[luigi bertolotti]

I consider the short duration of my M8 (4 years - M4 endured much longer… ) an exception due to "my (and their) first digital…"  : I have the feel that my M240 (end 2013) can easily double the life of M8 , or even triple...

Edited May 24, 2019 by luigi bertolotti

[catacore]

Resurecting an really old thread, while trying to resist GAS 🥺

Any news regarding the topic's title, now, that we have M11 alongside? Still around 2000 EUR difference between used M240 vs M10. Or 3000 EUR for M240 vs M10-P.

I just hope I will resist, just need some reasons. Please help! 🤣

Edited March 13, 2023 by catacore

[catacore]

53 minutes ago, Al Brown said:

I have switched the very second I could.

You are not helping me 🤣

[marchyman]

I  still like and use my M 262. What has been put in the "won't be using so often" category is my original Q.   It's been replaced by an M11.  Does that help?

[lct]

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I did not change my mind since my post # 44 above so i never switched from M240 to M10 but the M11 plays in another league. It is a modern body with LV capabilities none of its predecessors can compete with but it is more expensive so you may find it hard to justify if you're not interested in live view.

[mmradman]

I bought M240 in early 2014, consequently part exchanged for Leica SL601.  Also bought M246 in early 2016.  SL is no more, replaced with Nikon Z7 (soon to be joined by Z9 or Z8).  For a long time missed colour RF and considered latest and greater cameras but eventually repurchased s/h M240P in September 2022

Typical camera setup, M240 is set for max iso of 640 and M246 at 6400, do I need better RF camera, no I don’t. I do wish for better M camera but the one  I can afford, also one that can give me most keepers with my M lenses, perhaps EVF, IBIS would go some way towards it, you get the picture.  For anything more challenging Nikon Z system is superb, it even works well with most adapted lenses including my M and R primes.

To OP, if 24Mp is enough either M240 and base M10 and derivatives are good enough.  In my view there is nothing in M11 to justify premium over earlier models, I am sure usual advocates will defend virtues of M11, etc, etc.

[catacore]

I have set some "unrealistic" price limits for both M10 and M10P, so I should be safe from switching (like 4k and 5k respectively). Besides, I happen to have the black version of M240 (which seem to be more common, at least on the used market, these days), so this is Black Paint (afaik), as opposite to M10P where BP is "special version" found at special prices.

Fact is I don't NEED to upgrade (still, the ISO3200 IS a limitation for me at times), but we all know here is not about needs. M-system itself is a bohemian thing.

[Luke_Miller]

By the time I factor in the cost of replacing my EVF, half case, RRS plate, and eyepiece correction lens, none of which can be used on the newer models, the upgrade seems less appealing.

[catacore]

11 hours ago, Luke_Miller said:

By the time I factor in the cost of replacing my EVF, half case, RRS plate, and eyepiece correction lens, none of which can be used on the newer models, the upgrade seems less appealing.

Absolutely. Nevertheless, it seems that my Leica 1.4x magnifier 12006 can be mounted on an M10 using a thread adapter (named 24006 IIRC).

Edited March 15, 2023 by catacore

[Luke_Miller]

I may be mistaken, but I'm assuming using the thread adapter on an M10/M11 eyepiece to allow use of earlier eyepiece accessories reduces/eliminates the benefit of the larger eyepiece.

[mmradman]

7 hours ago, Luke_Miller said:

I may be mistaken, but I'm assuming using the thread adapter on an M10/M11 eyepiece to allow use of earlier eyepiece accessories reduces/eliminates the benefit of the larger eyepiece.

Talking of forward and backward compatibility maybe Leica can come up with battery adapter to fit smaller M10 unit inside M240, hang on why would they support older model 😁.

[Landberg]

On 1/19/2017 at 12:40 AM, jmahto said:

Messy typo in the topic. Should read:

Why M240 users will (not) switch to M10

Can someone please correct it.

 

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Lets keep GAS out for this discussion.

 

In practice if you never shoot in very very low light then the advantage of M10 is marginal (better haptics, better EVF, both marginal). Combine that with negatives of no video, no aperture data in exif, no USB, less battery life.

 

Why would you switch?

My only reason not to upgrade is money. I see no advantages at all with the M240. I would make the switch if I had the money. Even though I think my M240 is great.

[Leon Berg]

Hello everyone. 

I just got a mint M-P240 in black paint from my dealer for a reasonable price, 

I just wanted to pick it up, but in their used section they had a black chrome M10 P there, which seemed to be new out of the company

no signs of use, foil on display still attached. price was almost double.

I use analog Ms, the 240 is my first digital one. I wanted one to be able to use my lenses and also DSLM/R I was not willing to carry anymore
for trips. 

"Do you think it's worth the upgrade" .. yes that is what I am trying to find out

I still think about the M10P, because it would give me a little bit more peace of mind for the future, but it's probably BS because its not comparable 

with Apple Products and support, haha...

I think I'd rather spend the difference for a good Summilux aspherical (although I have to admit, it is super hard to focus correctly on digital..)

On film I rarely shoot wide open and if so, I take my time. 

I shoot film on trips and for special occasions, always in good light, where and documentary style, so f4-8. 

 

Right now I have two different Summicron 50ies (V2+3) and one Pre-Asph. Summilux 35mm

 

Anyhow.. I love the old school feel of the M240. It's louder than the M10P, which felt more like a slick and modern camera. 

I have a Nikon Z6II for my professional portrait and event work, maybe I still expect too much from the M240. Is the M10P so much better when its about ISO?

The film like look I get from the 240 makes me have butterflies in my stomach

Edited March 25, 2023 by Leon Berg

[sometimesmaybe]

5 hours ago, Leon Berg said:

Is the M10P so much better when its about ISO?

if youre really worried try running your high iso DNGs through DxO's PureRaw. it de-mosaics and de-noises. the tech boarders on witchcraft.

i posted an image in a related thread 

 

[cboy]

1 hour ago, sometimesmaybe said:

if youre really worried try running your high iso DNGs through DxO's PureRaw. it de-mosaics and de-noises. the tech boarders on witchcraft.

i posted an image in a related thread 

 

You sir just stopped the need for us older digital gen Leica users to upgrade anymore.😄 Denoise programs will only get better. Actually I'm thinking of downgrading to m8 Or perhaps switch to foveon. Lol

[sometimesmaybe]

22 minutes ago, cboy said:

You sir just stopped the need for us older digital gen Leica users to upgrade anymore.😄 Denoise programs will only get better. Actually I'm thinking of downgrading to m8 Or perhaps switch to foveon. Lol

what have i DONE!!! 😲

luckily DxO doesnt support foveon... yet 😅

 

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[RexGig0]

On 3/13/2023 at 12:21 PM, catacore said:

Resurecting an really old thread, while trying to resist GAS 🥺

Any news regarding the topic's title, now, that we have M11 alongside? Still around 2000 EUR difference between used M240 vs M10. Or 3000 EUR for M240 vs M10-P.

I just hope I will resist, just need some reasons. Please help! 🤣

Well, I do not have an M Type 240, but do love the M Type 246 Monochrom, which is in the 240-series. I also own an M10*. So, I can offer the following reasons to avoid “upgrading” to the M10:

1. Battery. The M10’s battery depletes noticeably more quickly, than its predecessor that powers the M 240/246/262. I do not recall ever having to change a battery, during a day of shooting with an M Type 246. Carrying spare batteries is more necessary, when using an M10. Buying spare M10 batteries seems to result in more “out of stock” situations, than with its predecessor, in my experience.

2. ISO Dial. While there is nothing really wrong with the M10’s ISO dial, it does not really facilitate quicker changing of ISO settings, especially when it is too dark to see the numerals printed on the dial. 

3. Thickness of the camera body. Yes, the M10 is slimmer, but, as the user of both M10 and M Type 246 cameras, this difference seems, to me, to be insignificant, except that it does enable a slightly better viewfinder experience, for those, such as myself, who wear eyeglasses while shooting.

4. Multi-function Handgrip. The Multifunction Handgrip adds GPS, more flash options, and the option of shooting with external power. No such handgrip exists, for the M10 or M11.

5. Video. This does not matter to all shooters, but, the M10 and M11 cannot shoot video.

6. The M-P Type 240, and M Type 246 Monochrom. Each of these offer technological advancements, that are not present in the M Type 240, so, are upgrades.

7. The M Type 262. This one does not offer any tech upgrades, but has a quieter shutter than the M 240, and the lack of holes, for a microphone, results in somewhat better weather resistance. (Of course, it is missing more than just the mic; there is no video capability.) Plus, it has that Minimalist Coolness. 😎

So, I do not regret starting the Leica M system with an M10, but, having the benefit of hindsight, I could, probably, be just as happy, using pre-M10 cameras.

*I bought the M10 first, in April 2018. After a mishap, with the M10, that required major repair, I found a pre-owned M 246 available for sale. I had learned that the M 246 actually performs better, in low light, at higher ISO, than the original M10. My M10 was not yet repaired, and I really wanted to “get back onto the horse that threw me,” so, I bought the M Type 246 Monochrom. (“Horse” is a metaphor, in the case. Part of my brain was telling me that my clumsy self should not be walking about with such expensive equipment.)

Edited March 27, 2023 by RexGig0

[catacore]

Thanks, Rex, for your input.

I have to admit that I cooled down and, actually, am asking myself if M-system is really for me or not. I got very frustrated, lately, while composing my pictures through the OVF and finding out (when chimping) that the picture looks different framed than I wanted. And, sometimes, repeating the process (of framing while slightly adjusting my position) did not yield the result I was after.

So, basically, I am happy I have resisted the (compulsive/immature) temptation to upgrade. I, eventually, might reach the point of saying (like Mr. Leica's youtube video is titled): bye-bye Leica....