Luke_Miller Posted April 22, 2014 Share #341 Posted April 22, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Only in as much as you can choose the minimum shutter speed. Not the actual shutter speed. With my M9 and Monochrom (and M8.2 previously) I set the specific shutter speed (using the shutter speed dial), aperture, and let Auto ISO handle the exposure. In other words Auto ISO works just like it does on my Nikon bodies. If I am in aperture priority ("A" on the shutter speed dial) then you are correct - minimum shutter speed is all I can specify in the Auto ISO menu. And that "minimum" is only honored by the body if it will not result in underexposure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Luke_Miller Posted April 22, 2014 Share #342 Posted April 22, 2014 If the new firmware allows you to chose maximum and minimum speed, isn't it a good workaround? If you want a speed of 125, you just set 125 as your minimum and 250 as your maximum. Then you effectively have auto-iso with manual set up of speed. Unfortunately no. The camera will not allow under or over exposure until it has exhausted every variable under its control. So if 1/125 to 1/250 and the Auto ISO range I specified provide proper exposure - all is good. As soon as that is not true the camera will use whatever shutter speed it needs to achieve correct exposure. So if I need 1/125 as a minimum to stop subject motion and light levels drop enough the camera will start shooting at 1/60, 1/30, etc. Then I have properly exposed images of blurry subjects. With my M9 and Monochrom I set 1/125 as my shutter speed (using the shutter speed dial) and engage Auto ISO. If light levels drop enough I will get underexposed shots taken at 1/125. Generally I can correct that in post processing, especially with the Monochrom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted April 22, 2014 Share #343 Posted April 22, 2014 If the new firmware allows you to chose maximum and minimum speed, isn't it a good workaround? If you want a speed of 125, you just set 125 as your minimum and 250 as your maximum. Then you effectively have auto-iso with manual set up of speed. sent from a phone with auto-correct. Yes, this would seem to be the case. It could work ok, but I think most of us who would use auto-ISO in Manual would like the ability to do so without diving into the menus to adjust shutter speed. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongrelnomad Posted April 22, 2014 Share #344 Posted April 22, 2014 With my M9 and Monochrom (and M8.2 previously) I set the specific shutter speed (using the shutter speed dial), aperture, and let Auto ISO handle the exposure. In other words Auto ISO works just like it does on my Nikon bodies. If I am in aperture priority ("A" on the shutter speed dial) then you are correct - minimum shutter speed is all I can specify in the Auto ISO menu. And that "minimum" is only honored by the body if it will not result in underexposure. Interesting. I'll have to try that and see how it works. Out of interest: why does this not work with the M240? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 22, 2014 Share #345 Posted April 22, 2014 Interesting. I'll have to try that and see how it works. Out of interest: why does this not work with the M240? Just another of the great unanswerable questions in life. Like: why is navel fluff always blue, even when your shirts aren't? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 22, 2014 Share #346 Posted April 22, 2014 ...As soon as that is not true the camera will use whatever shutter speed it needs to achieve correct exposure. So if I need 1/125 as a minimum to stop subject motion and light levels drop enough the camera will start shooting at 1/60, 1/30, etc. Then I have properly exposed images of blurry subjects... Unless the new minimum speed feature doesn't allow slower speeds as expected. We would just set 1/125 in the auto iso menu for instance and current speeds would never go below. Just a guess though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
genefama Posted April 23, 2014 Share #347 Posted April 23, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) The real thing we need is auto ISO that let's you manually select shutter speeds. Forget this minimum/maximum nonsense. If the new firmware continues to only allow auto ISO when the shutter dial is at A, I'm going to throw something. This is obvious baby stuff and should have been fixed ages ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 23, 2014 Share #348 Posted April 23, 2014 The feature you describe is not implemented in the M240 and i would be surprised if the next FU does it, but i may be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted April 23, 2014 Share #349 Posted April 23, 2014 If the new firmware allows you to chose maximum and minimum speed, isn't it a good workaround? If you want a speed of 125, you just set 125 as your minimum and 250 as your maximum. Then you effectively have auto-iso with manual set up of speed. Unless the new minimum speed feature doesn't allow slower speeds as expected. We would just set 1/125 in the auto iso menu for instance and current speeds would never go below. Just a guess though. Are you serious? If I want to change the shutter speed I would then have to go through the menus and change two values? That would be the most convoluted way of implementing this feature that I can imagine. I just want the controls to control what they are meant to control. The ISO control should control ISO and the shutter speed dial should control he shutter speed. I don't want the shutter speed dial to control the ISO setting. Is that too simple to understand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenicolas Posted April 23, 2014 Share #350 Posted April 23, 2014 Hey, I'm just trying to help I realize it's a weird way to get what you want, but at least you'd get what you want. There are many examples through the history of camera making when we had to hack/cheat cameras into doing what we want them to. This is not even a specific Leica thing. Having to change your shutter speed in a menu isn't that much more absurd than having to change your ISO in a menu... And a 1/125 gives you a lot of options before you need to change the speed : from 1/125 f/1,4 @3200 iso to 1/125 f/16 @100iso, I don't know that you'd need to change the speed very often... And then you can always switch to manual mode... Again, I wish you all the best with the firmware update and hope that Leica gives you all what you've been asking for, but if they don't, remember that necessity is the mother of invention... sent from a phone with auto-correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 23, 2014 Share #351 Posted April 23, 2014 [...] I just want the controls to control what they are meant to control. The ISO control should control ISO and the shutter speed dial should control he shutter speed. I don't want the shutter speed dial to control the ISO setting. Is that too simple to understand? I think i can understand if i make the effort to comprehend that when you say you don't want the shutter speed dial to control the iso setting, you expect that it will change the iso setting actually . More seriously, i'm not sure you will get what you want as i said above. But again i may be wrong and Leica may well have decided to implement the manual/auto feature you like and i have nothing to do with personally. I would not mind at all provided this new feature does not break what was not broken previously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted April 23, 2014 Share #352 Posted April 23, 2014 ... I just want the controls to control what they are meant to control. The ISO control should control ISO and the shutter speed dial should control he shutter speed. I don't want the shutter speed dial to control the ISO setting. Is that too simple to understand? I can understand you very well! I never accepted those ideologies telling you that you have to change the lenses aperture when you change the camera's shutter speed - completely different devices! I want to control my shutter speed without having to fiddle around with the apertures! But the bloody cam only gives me results with wayward exposures. And instead of fixing this they start fooling around with the ISOs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 23, 2014 Share #353 Posted April 23, 2014 Aren't you turning speculation into fact here? Let's see how the implementation is in real life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
genefama Posted April 23, 2014 Share #354 Posted April 23, 2014 The reason a completely independent Auto ISO is valuable is because ISO is the least creative of the three exposure decisions. It controls overall sensitivity and noise levels; it doesn't blur backgrounds or freeze action. Therefore it's the only decision worth leaving up to the camera. The fact that you can't do so without leaving another, more creative decision, up to the camera (shutter speed) is flat-out broken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted April 23, 2014 Share #355 Posted April 23, 2014 Aren't you turning speculation into fact here? Let's see how the implementation is in real life. Well, since Leica isn't commenting speculation is all we have. This has been broken for as long as the M240 has been available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kallisti Posted April 23, 2014 Share #356 Posted April 23, 2014 To recap. This is a Leica, part of the M system…..and someone wants Auto ISO!Next a P mode? Then Auto focus? You control the shutter speed. You control the ISO - always. You control the aperture. You control the focussing. If you don't control the ISO, you are fundamentally undermining the whole "you" in this equation & by definition, you are no longer in control of the photography. Go elsewhere to a.n.other camera system if you, even for a minute, think along those Auto lines. Learn to use the M camera correctly perhaps? Go back & tell Leica that no one wants Auto ISO or Auto focus or a for that matter a P mode on the M system, for goodness sake. The rot starts with an A. I discovered this site while doing a google search a while ago. I've been lurking ever since. This post prompted me to register. I certainly respect your opinion that shooting in full manual gives the photographer the most control over the image. But I beg to differ that "The rot starts with an A" and your further assertions that anyone who doesn't want to shoot in full manual should choose another camera system. You do realize that cameras are tools, nothing more. The Leica M system differs from DSLRs from Nikon, Canon, etc. in many respects. There is the quality of the lenses. There is the fact that it is a much more compact system. There is the fact that it is generally much easier to change controls relating to exposure without having to hunt through menus. Having an aperture priority mode can be a convenience and using it isn't a sign of weakness or being a bad photographer. It's a mode that has its uses. It's not an either/or situation--nothing forces you to use it all the time. In situations where it works (i.e. what you are shooting doesn't demand a set shutter speed), use it. Know when it doesn't work and switch to manual in those circumstances. Auto-ISO is similar. There are times it is useful. There are times it isn't. There are times when it doesn't matter one way or the other. I love my Leica M (240) because it is small, light, and easy to travel with. I became fed-up with the bulk of my Nikon and appreciated the relative simplicity of using the Leica. But your assertion that "auto" anything is bad strikes me as elitist and very close-minded. As another poster pointed out, are you opposed to Leica Ms having a built-in exposure meter? There isn't some slippery slope where once you allow an aperture priority mode or auto-ISO that the Leica M system is forced to evolve into a point-and-shoot. No one is arguing for a P mode. No one is arguing for auto-focus. The current automations are useful for some users. The auto-ISO is currently somewhat borked (as pointed out by numerous posts in this thread). Please keep in mind that nothing is forcing you take advantage of these features. If you don't like them, don't use them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted April 23, 2014 Share #357 Posted April 23, 2014 The reason a completely independent Auto ISO is valuable is because ISO is the least creative of the three exposure decisions. It controls overall sensitivity and noise levels; it doesn't blur backgrounds or freeze action. Therefore it's the only decision worth leaving up to the camera. The fact that you can't do so without leaving another, more creative decision, up to the camera (shutter speed) is flat-out broken. I agree completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocklebeast Posted April 23, 2014 Share #358 Posted April 23, 2014 Is there any hint on when auto iso is coming? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenicolas Posted April 23, 2014 Share #359 Posted April 23, 2014 May 24th says Leica rumors. sent from a phone with auto-correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted April 24, 2014 Share #360 Posted April 24, 2014 If Leica would kindly loan me their source I'd be happy to review it, fix this issue and put this problem to rest... Lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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