zeitz Posted December 12, 2014 Share #21 Posted December 12, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is it possible that the steel wheel of the focusing arm is marking the brass focusing ramp of the lens during years of use? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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carlos.paula Posted December 12, 2014 Share #22 Posted December 12, 2014 I think that this is not material wear; the lens is very good condition. The focus is correct when used in a M6 and in a Epson RD-1. So, problably this is factory original. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted December 12, 2014 Share #23 Posted December 12, 2014 I agree with Andy about the best value for money as a 35mm Leica lens. I was astounded by it's sharpness, a lens of 1962 which nearly surpasses the 35 cron IV at 2.8 and although relative with 2.8 as the widest opening, a beautifull bo-keh. Very appropriate for (group)portraits. Like many older Leica lenses, I prefer it for B&W, and in that section I prefer it above the Summarit. If the Summarit is a bit too harsh for you the Summaron is your choice. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a911s Posted December 12, 2014 Share #24 Posted December 12, 2014 +1 It is a wonderful optic, I have numerous 35mm Leica lenses and the 2.8 Summaron is one of my favorites, along with the IV Summicron. Very painterly in the way it draws. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted December 13, 2014 Share #25 Posted December 13, 2014 I bought mine mint a couple of years ago from CollectCameraNL and it gave no sign whatsoever of having been fitted to a camera. Since then it has mostly lived on my MP so has been fitted/removed to/from a camera very few times. The picture below (X-Vario + Raynox c/u lens) shows similar slight changes of profile (at the 9 & 3 o'clock positions). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/94959-summaron-35mm-f28-m-lens/?do=findComment&comment=2727500'>More sharing options...
otto.f Posted December 13, 2014 Share #26 Posted December 13, 2014 My copy hasn't got the pits, 1962 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted January 16, 2015 Share #27 Posted January 16, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have a lovely copy and have spent a lot of time with a lots of 35's I have three that are definite keepers the Summilux AA, the Summicron MkIV and the Summaron f2.8 it provides classic rendering and stunning B&W conversions on the M9. Very 1960's reportage 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafster Posted January 16, 2015 Share #28 Posted January 16, 2015 I got mine via ebay and tested to have severe front focus. An approximate repair quote from Leica for calibration is about 760USD. With that repair price, I can get another copy. Bad experience. Now I only use it to shoot at f8, lovely lens for B&W. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeswe Posted January 17, 2015 Share #29 Posted January 17, 2015 I got mine via ebay and tested to have severe front focus. An approximate repair quote from Leica for calibration is about 760USD. With that repair price, I can get another copy. Bad experience. Now I only use it to shoot at f8, lovely lens for B&W. Just out of curiosity, was it a screwmount or a bayonet mount Summaron? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Bee Posted July 18, 2016 Share #30 Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) Love mine, a wonderful lens, and with the chrome 90mm 'Fat' Elmarit & MP Hammertone my perfect outfit Simon http://www.l-camera-forum.com/uploads/gallery/album_5379/gallery_29508_5379_1649019.jpg Edited July 18, 2016 by Simon Bee Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted August 9, 2016 Share #31 Posted August 9, 2016 Had both the Summaron 2.8 and Summicron 2.0 . The Summicron was better at all stops even allowing for it being one stop faster, i.e. 2.0 vs 2.8. Modern lenses outclass them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvaliquette Posted August 28, 2016 Share #32 Posted August 28, 2016 that one is only usable on the M3 and doesn't focus correctly on other cameras Ron, Not true! It can be used on the M3, M2, M4, M4-2, M6, M7, M8, M9, M240, etc... Only the M5 and CL cannot use it. But it must have its "goggles". Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironringer Posted February 22, 2018 Share #33 Posted February 22, 2018 Could Summaron 35mm f2.8 users (of both LTM and M mounts) share experience and inform me: Q1. can a "no goggles" Summaron 35mm M-mount be used on an early M3, with correct rangefinder focusing (no goggles), using a SBLOO viewfinder? Q2. can a screwmount Summaron 35mm be used with an M adapter ring, on an early M3, with correct rangefinder focusing (no goggles), using a SBLOO viewfinder? Perhaps the focus system (wheel + lever mechanism on the camera, and the focus profile on the brass inner rim, is different on a screwmount vs M camera, although they shouldn't be different (the M adapter should allow correct focus). Q3. for a Summaron f2.8 M mount with goggles, can the lens be removed from the goggles, to work on an early M3, with correct rangefinder focusing (no goggles), using a SBLOO viewfinder? If the answer to Q2 is yes, that would seem to be the best Summaron f2.8 lens to buy, if you want to use it with both screwmount and M cameras. User experiences and advice will be appreciated, since I am interested in this lens, especially if I could use it on both LTM and M cameras. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted February 22, 2018 Share #34 Posted February 22, 2018 I have all of these items, 3 different types of 35mm f2.8 lens, M3 and SBLOO . The answer to the first two questions is 'Yes'. I have the goggled version of the lens, but I have never removed the goggles. I believe, however, that I have read somewhere that the answer to question 3 is 'No'. The LTM version of the lens works perfectly on M3s and M2s with the correct adapter. The only downside is a slightly larger minimum focus distance. William Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted February 22, 2018 Share #35 Posted February 22, 2018 Could Summaron 35mm f2.8 users (of both LTM and M mounts) share experience and inform me: Q1. can a "no goggles" Summaron 35mm M-mount be used on an early M3, with correct rangefinder focusing (no goggles), using a SBLOO viewfinder? Q2. can a screwmount Summaron 35mm be used with an M adapter ring, on an early M3, with correct rangefinder focusing (no goggles), using a SBLOO viewfinder? Perhaps the focus system (wheel + lever mechanism on the camera, and the focus profile on the brass inner rim, is different on a screwmount vs M camera, although they shouldn't be different (the M adapter should allow correct focus). Q3. for a Summaron f2.8 M mount with goggles, can the lens be removed from the goggles, to work on an early M3, with correct rangefinder focusing (no goggles), using a SBLOO viewfinder? If the answer to Q2 is yes, that would seem to be the best Summaron f2.8 lens to buy, if you want to use it with both screwmount and M cameras. User experiences and advice will be appreciated, since I am interested in this lens, especially if I could use it on both LTM and M cameras. 1 yes 2 yes 3 no As William wrote: LTM version focus coupling to 1m and M version to 70cm. I have one with M mount (focus to 70cm) but the mount can be removed by unscrewing one tiny set screw. So for me Summaron 2.8/35 M2 version early twin-mount, this is the best buy as it's full use on M and can be used on LTM (but not RF coupling in this case 70cm to 1m) . Very nice lens and it's IQ is bettered by none, even fully open. See here : https://www.dropbox.com/s/wg9l5x63eizfgzr/Summaron.pdf?dl=0 found today from RFF : https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164257 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted February 22, 2018 Share #36 Posted February 22, 2018 I can confirm that the answer to Q1 and Q2 is 'yes', and to Q3 is 'no'. I personally own a LTM version Summaron 2.8/35, and it works flawlessly with both screwmount and M bodies (the latter, of course, require the use of an adapter). Cheers, Andy Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironringer Posted February 22, 2018 Share #37 Posted February 22, 2018 Thank you (both a.noctilux and wizard) for these informed answers and references. Maybe I will start shopping ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted February 22, 2018 Share #38 Posted February 22, 2018 I have just looked at two 2.8 Summarons, mine and a friends, and they do not have the depressions in the focussing ring, but one has a slight ridge at one point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 22, 2018 Share #39 Posted February 22, 2018 I have a lovely condition 35/2.8 Summaron LTM lens dating from 1961 bought from Peter Coeln at the Leica shop in Vienna. It has no marks or depressions on the RF cam. When I got it, like I always do with a newly acquired RF lens, I checked the focus accuracy. This is very easy to do now with the M240, RF image convergence against focus peaking when zoomed. Peter had checked it before it sent it to me but I confirmed it was spot on.While I had it mounted, I took a few test images with the Summaron and M240. My expectations were not particularly high and I did wonder before I bought it, if I should have bought instead, one of the 1999 special edition 35mm/f2 LTM ASPH Summicrons. However, I was astonished how good the Summaron is. Other than slightly more vignetting, I could barely distinguish between images from the Summaron and my modern 35 ASPH Summicron-M. It sits all the time on my IIIg with a SBLOO viewfinder in the shoe. It is far better than my other 35mm LTM lens, a Voigtlander Color Skopar, admittedly not a good example of that particular lens, with horrendous aperture shift and a not very accurately ground RF cam. Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted February 22, 2018 Share #40 Posted February 22, 2018 I have an M mount Summaron 35, that has also been very nice since getting the haze removed. Focus is perfect. I also have a Summarit 2.5 35. I find it curious that Puts says comparing it to the Summaron, "...a quantum leap forward in image quality." I don't see it in my pictures, but I am happy with both. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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