tashley Posted March 1, 2009 Share #181 Posted March 1, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) and in a few days you'll be able to do just that ... in case you're contemplating another m8.2 I know, I know... and there isn't an emoticon that means 'exactly the opposite of ROTFL plus I've been skinned again!' Anyway, I'm not buying the M9 when it finally arrives in case they later release a FW update that takes an M8 to full frame and noise free at ISO 6400.... I've been burnt too often... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 Hi tashley, Take a look here M8 Firmware 2.004 . I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
SJP Posted March 1, 2009 Share #182 Posted March 1, 2009 I don't keep a record, as I know some do, of previous releases of firmware so this may be part of a logical pattern I don't see but I do wonder why this is listed as 2.004 and not as 2.003 ?Version 2.003 had delayed recocking but no shutter release, this was the experimental extreme stealth mode, now sadly discontinued. Please note the absence of smiley in this post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe D. Posted March 1, 2009 Share #183 Posted March 1, 2009 ..Mine (opinion) is a reasonable and logic interpretation of why Leica decided to hold on the release...OK, I think we got it after so many repeats. But what is your point ? Do Leica owe you (us) anything in particular ? Did you complain that way as Leica made the M6 TTL after the M6 ? Was it a "hold of release" ? Do you also complain if the car model, you bought new six month ago, got a new radio you didn't get with yours ? I think this is not an opinion you are expressing, but only a kind of frustration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted March 1, 2009 Share #184 Posted March 1, 2009 Or do we actually care? Anyways, this now brings us the question if someone who has bought an M8.2 can get it upgraded to the 1/8000 shutter while keeping the fast ISO change etc.? If you like to use fast lenses at full aperture in daylight that would make sense - for a smallish minority I guess but still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted March 1, 2009 Share #185 Posted March 1, 2009 OK, I think we got it after so many repeats. But what is your point ? Do Leica owe you (us) anything in particular ? Did you complain that way as Leica made the M6 TTL after the M6 ? Was it a "hold of release" ? Do you also complain if the car model, you bought new six month ago, got a new radio you didn't get with yours ? I think this is not an opinion you are expressing, but only a kind of frustration. Good for you - finally! As far as your other comments: 1 - No, and I never said Leica did owe me anything; 2 - Bad example - TTL was a new developed feature; the delayed release was available for the M8 via FW when it was for the M8.2, Leica decided not to include it; 3 - Bad example, for the reasons above; 4 - No frustration at all, as I said many times; I am perfectly happy with film Ms and my Nikon D3 for digital work - please desist from those personal attacks, would you? Thanks! What my point is? Oh I thought you said you got it, though it took you quite a few repeats, per your own admission; my point is nothing more than noticing how weak Leica's recent marketing and development policy has been; how they released a weak update to the M8 and not to trump its sales they held on the FW updates for the M8; how they said at one point the M8 would be "perpetually updated", then they said "no delayed release on the M8", then they said "ok, there you go, get the delayed release". You might find all this ok, good for you then; to me (and to many others around here, it seems), this is confused marketing communication at best, and bad business practice as the worst possible scenario; this costed many users (some actually posted here in that sense) money they wouldn't have spent in case the update would have been available; and in some other cases, while it costed them extra money they wouldn't have spent, users are happy anyway in the end with a new camera etc. Got it now? To me, Leica could and should do better than that, both as far as their development strategy and as far as their marketing goes. Of course, this is just my opinion - others might and do feel different; I am happy with my opinion and my choices, others are happy with theirs, great. Horses for courses! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted March 1, 2009 Share #186 Posted March 1, 2009 how they released a weak update to the M8 and not to trump its sales they held on the FW updates for the M8; It could be that they just re-considered the downside of not releasing the discreet shutter for the M8. It is good that they did this. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted March 1, 2009 Share #187 Posted March 1, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Remember your new M8.2 is valued at much more than an upgraded M8. Rob Much more ? I have not seen an M8u offered S/H, I may well have missed one, so the market has not been really tested. An updated, all three options, with 12 month warranty and discreet shutter should be worth more than a plain M8 but less than an 8.2 but I think adding "much" is just an assumption. It may well be correct but can you point me to your evidence ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberti Posted March 1, 2009 Share #188 Posted March 1, 2009 Geez,Who are these people? Even recently there was no high school level snark around here, mostly mature individuals exchanging opinions. Is the cheaper M8 attracting new customers so quickly? Crisis or what? Looks like a new round of rant users with ID's. Harrassment. I look at it as a focussed cyberattack - from competitors?. Don't fit in the normal conversation, that's true. Never touched a RF maybe. So ignor them & the admin should shut them out! A regards Lieca's marketing strategy, this is a very solid company: Don't raise expectations, unless you can deliver and even then be cautious Some viral marketing will help (the friend of my friend who live nextdoor to this chap whose niece works in Wetzlar...) Some sounding of the community will help (most features were discussed in terms like: "You know what I would like: a shutter that doesn't release untill I like it, a few seconds later if needed . . "- this was part of a track back in 2008. So for those who keep an eye on the whole (do not just see the doughnut) the Leica company should stand out as an excellent performer in managing the community. I am very glad with this way, and this allows me as old M8 user (>10.000 pictures on the platform already) to grow along too. The M8-2, yes a no-brainer, because of the sound, I'd buy it immediately, but now I'll save for some lenses instead. The 18 seems a nice complement for me. Had been thinking of the 24 mm. Now - had I had the money to move ahead with a Christmas present for myself like a 24, would I have been annoyed? No, why. Prematurely stating roll-out plans might on the other side have lead me to wait. That is 'bad' for the turnover. As tregards the wate, it imho is made for a different type of photography, a league of its own, a dedicated purpose for e.g. environmental and architecture photography. That type cannot be replaced by a single WA lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyM Posted March 1, 2009 Share #189 Posted March 1, 2009 I notice on the Leica website Leica Camera AG - Service - M8 Upgrade "Please note that the delayed shutter cocking feature available on the M8.2 is not available via this M8 upgrade" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 1, 2009 Share #190 Posted March 1, 2009 "Please note that the delayed shutter cocking feature available on the M8.2 is not available via this M8 upgrade" That was the case when the updates were originally made available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_livsey Posted March 1, 2009 Share #191 Posted March 1, 2009 I notice on the Leica website Leica Camera AG - Service - M8 Upgrade "Please note that the delayed shutter cocking feature available on the M8.2 is not available via this M8 upgrade" Those are the hardware upgrades. The delayed shutter cocking is controlled by firmware which is due for release on March 3rd and is/will be self install. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 1, 2009 Share #192 Posted March 1, 2009 It goes without saying that I think Leica are doing absolutely the right thing by making this function available, better even than I hoped for and not just to shutter-upgrading users. Sure, I was the "Chief Protester" with my "Hot Air..." threads and I took some flak from Andy, Steve and not least from Bill whose in-depth and carefully considered assessment of my position was that it was "bollocks". M8.2 users have nothing to moan about; you have all the upgrades without the hassle and expense of getting them done, you have the EV shift, you have the changed cosmetics and will in the future have higher resale values, so you shouldn't complain. Plus of course, you have "S" mode... I think we can draw a line under the "perpetual upgrade" program now and move on. What I really, really want is a FF body... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted March 1, 2009 Share #193 Posted March 1, 2009 I agree with all of what Mark said. Except the FF body. If and when that comes I'll "THINK" about it. But for right now I very rarely use my 21mm lens, even on the cropped camera (I guess that is because I like to stand back form the subject slighlty). My think is there will not be any more upgrades offered. the M8/M8u/M8.2 is what it is and the end of the 8 (M Eight) line. It goes without saying that I think Leica are doing absolutely the right thing by making this function available, better even than I hoped for and not just to shutter-upgrading users. Sure, I was the "Chief Protester" with my "Hot Air..." threads and I took some flak from Andy, Steve and not least from Bill whose in-depth and carefully considered assessment of my position was that it was "bollocks". M8.2 users have nothing to moan about; you have all the upgrades without the hassle and expense of getting them done, you have the EV shift, you have the changed cosmetics and will in the future have higher resale values, so you shouldn't complain. I think we can draw a line under the "perpetual upgrade" program now and move on. What I really, really want is a FF body... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 1, 2009 Share #194 Posted March 1, 2009 I agree with you Ed, aside from firmware ugrades to support future lenses, that's it for the M8; Leica have their hands full with the S2, the R10 and, say 15 - 20 lenses for the pair of them so what we have might well be all we get for a while, not complaining, Leica have come good - more than - on the need for fast wide-angles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 1, 2009 Share #195 Posted March 1, 2009 I'm trying to figure out the complaints myself. When you give a kid a lollypop for free , usually there not going to complain about the flavor. Okay they may ask for another one but hey it is a freebie. Cost you nothing and if you don't like it don't update the firmware. I look at it this way be it marketing or whatever and even technically feasible at any given time in the M8 process. Even if you did the upgrades you still got what you paid for this is just one small factor in that whole upgrade you paid for. Honestly all this does is stop the rewind at the moment after the shutter is pressed and you can hold it until the time you want to release it. It does nothing else, the shutter is still the same the noise is still the same. It has nothing to do with giving you better slower shutter speeds it is all after the release and the image in the tank. Really nothing more and nothing less . It actually helps some folks that did not want to upgrade and actually may help folks in the fact this is all they wanted from a upgrade but those that did the upgrade still got something else for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaMSeattle Posted March 1, 2009 Share #196 Posted March 1, 2009 Much more ? I have not seen an M8u offered S/H, I may well have missed one, so the market has not been really tested. An updated, all three options, with 12 month warranty and discreet shutter should be worth more than a plain M8 but less than an 8.2 but I think adding "much" is just an assumption. It may well be correct but can you point me to your evidence ? The extra value must be perceived in the black logo dot, vulcanite covering and lack of the1/8000th setting. This latest firmware release is a welcome bit of news, sadly I've had to return my M8 to Leica for fluorescing pixels in my images. Hopefully, they'll tend to things in a timely fashion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted March 1, 2009 Share #197 Posted March 1, 2009 M8.2 users have nothing to moan about; you have all the upgrades without the hassle and expense of getting them done, you have the EV shift, you have the changed cosmetics and will in the future have higher resale values, so you shouldn't complain. Plus of course, you have "S" mode... I think we can draw a line under the "perpetual upgrade" program now and move on. What I really, really want is a FF body... I think the M8.2 is a better built body as well. At least the one I handled at my dealers. Hard to put a finger on it but it just seemed all around "tighter." (and my dealer agreed, and he's no real fan of digital, let alone the M8). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe D. Posted March 1, 2009 Share #198 Posted March 1, 2009 I'm trying to figure out the complaints myself. When you give a kid a lollypop for free, usually there not going to complain about the flavor. if you don't like it don't update the firmware. all this does is stop the rewind at the moment after the shutter is pressed and you can hold it until the time you want to release it. It does nothing else, the shutter is still the same the noise is still the same. Right Guy.And sadly for someone, it doesn't upgrade a Nikon D3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 1, 2009 Share #199 Posted March 1, 2009 What's funny I had a dig cam that actually does the same thing and i can't remember which one it was. Go figure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 1, 2009 Share #200 Posted March 1, 2009 And sadly for someone, it doesn't upgrade a Nikon D3. D3? That is so 'last month'. There must be something better by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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