Kinks Gone, Firmware Improvements. Former M10 Users Happy with M11?

[tappan]

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Former M10-R users. Have the last couple of years of M11 firmware improvements, apparently solving the early M11 problems, made you feel good  about upgrading to M11? 
Thoughts? Were you happy with the move? Any regrets?
Hope everyone is doing well.
Mark

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[Henners]

M11 is a great camera, can't really complain at all now. The firmware has matured to the point there's no issues and the camera just works. M10-R is just as good though, really depends if USB-C and the battery life etc are worth it. I still prefer the M10 metering and the M10 felt more like I expect a Leica to feel (the shutter opening for metering on the M11 isn't nice for me) but the M11 is no slouch, I'd happily have and shoot either.

[newtoleica]

I borrowed an M11-P from Leica last weekend as I wanted to shoot colour alongside my M10-M and didn't want to use the Q2. 

Honestly it was perfect... The shutter sound is fine (a real non issue), no software hiccups. the battery life and charging with  usb were great. Otherwise feels just like an M10 in use. Files are excellent, with huge latitude in shadows. Not as good at mono as the Mone, so that's staying. Am awaiting a used M11-D....

[DadDadDaddyo]

Absolutely.

I had the M10M and I now have the M11 and the M11M.

By far, far, far, and away, the biggest problems I have with these cameras relate to the meat machine trying to use them. 

I wish I could get fixed with a firmware update as solidly and completely as these cameras have been...

They aren't my problem. 

[Smogg]

After the latest update that corrects the white balance, the M11 has become an excellent choice for any rangefinder enthusiast.

[setuporg]

Having been let down horribly by the failed SSD in M11-D, and gotten rid of it and the M11-P, I am totally happy back with M10-R and M10M that never went anywhere in the first place.  I have 5 batteries for them and the sound of the shutter and metering are much more agreeable and classic Leica.  No need for M11 of any kind.

[setuporg]

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1 hour ago, DadDadDaddyo said:

Absolutely.

I had the M10M and I now have the M11 and the M11M.

Is there any actual advantage of M11M over M10M besides non-photographic (battery, USB-C)?

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, setuporg said:

Is there any actual advantage of M11M over M10M besides non-photographic (battery, USB-C)?

Yes.

- Almost one stop more DR at base ISO

- Better LV

- Lower base ISO and electronic shutter allow shooting wide open in bright light without an ND filter.

- Long exposures.

- Improved compatibility with old lenses

- Theoretically, there is better flare resistance as the chamber has more room.

[setuporg]

7 hours ago, setuporg said:

Having been let down horribly by the failed SSD in M11-D, and gotten rid of it and the M11-P, I am totally happy back with M10-R and M10M that never went anywhere in the first place.  I have 5 batteries for them and the sound of the shutter and metering are much more agreeable and classic Leica.  No need for M11 of any kind.

Hopefully it is abundantly clear that the "M" EV1 is a kind of M11 mentioned above!

Edited Monday at 02:20 AM by setuporg

[jakontil]

I still miss the baseplate after all these years.. but truth to be told, im happier with the M11, mine never had issues, but the latest few firmware has been a game changer

[steve edmunds]

well done to Leica for sorting out the magenta cast so quickly.

[bilbrown]

Released my last M10 (M10-M Leitz Wezlar) and now only working with my M11-P – which I've had since release. 

 

No need to go back. I'm good.

[Jacobjuul]

If you can get a good M11 then they are pretty good. 

The biggest issue I have right now is the startup time. It's just too slow no matter what people say (The m10 series weren't much better, whereas the m9 is nearly instant most of the time).

Compared to my M10-R the shutter feels very sluggish, but if you're not comparing them it feels like most other mirrorless cameras. 

[Derbyshire Man]

6 hours ago, Jacobjuul said:

If you can get a good M11 then they are pretty good. 

The biggest issue I have right now is the startup time. It's just too slow no matter what people say (The m10 series weren't much better, whereas the m9 is nearly instant most of the time).

Compared to my M10-R the shutter feels very sluggish, but if you're not comparing them it feels like most other mirrorless cameras. 

Not used an M10R, more sluggish to start up or from press to snap? The figures say very little difference between the two 3 milliseconds from memory?

[marchyman]

6 hours ago, Jacobjuul said:

It's just too slow no matter what people say

I concur.  Turn on camera.  Wait for LED to go out. Hit Menu button to check settings.  Oops... too soon. Sigh, then  hit the button again. 

Not a big issue, but a minor annoyance that intrudes most times I use the camera. 

[Crem]

I've used the M10-R and M11 extensively. I ditched the M11 back when it was buggy and stuck with the M10-R because it just works. I do miss the battery life and USB charging with the M11, but that's it. I'm glad to hear the M11 is finally stable, but I can't justify the cost of upgrading. Perhaps I'll be tempted if they make some final special edition that is exactly what I want (M11-P internals, black paint, brass, saphire screen).

[davidmknoble]

Interesting thoughts here.  @setuporg, I’ve had every Monochrom and I loved the M10M, but the M11 sensor series has me hooked.  It is so much like the S3 even though smaller.  The color out of the camera is just a leap ahead of the M10(R) series IMHO.  The ability to size the DNG for different uses is great, but it is also clear that the dynamic range is much higher and enough now to really do good work even in harsh light.

The SSD problems are interesting, and I’ve not experienced problems with those, nor in my Hasselblad X2D.  I wonder what the use case is that has a higher risk of problem?

I do think there should be a ‘fast’ mode that once the camera is booted up, no matter what, sleeping or otherwise, pressing the shutter button just exposes the sensor.  It might mean missing something - extra noise, lower dynamic range - whatever, and as the camera wakes up the pictures can improve.  The one advantage of film is the shutter always works instantly.

I will admit, most of my work is more intentional, so I don’t need instant, but when I want it, I do wish it were there.

 

[Derbyshire Man]

Wake from sleep is not quick enough, so much slower than every other camera I have! And shutter lag is far,; far too slow at 50-125ms. More than a tenth of a second to start the shutter? what’s powering it, a washing machine processor from 1985? And then shutter lock out when in single shot, good grief.

I still love them, but these elements are totally bobbins & frankly a complete embarrassment.

Edited Thursday at 11:11 PM by Derbyshire Man

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[costa43]

I purchased the M11-P after all the firmware issues were pretty much sorted so my experience has been pretty positive. This new WB adjustment not only sorts out the tint that many see but it seems like it could be fun from a creative perspective too.  I came from  an M10-R, a great camera too. The M11 generation has some clear advantages that have been discussed on many threads already but I’d happily live with either. 

[brickftl]

this is my second M11P (having sold the first one after it crapped out and then had its internals replaced by Leica NJ). It has a July 2025 build date and has been flawless. Absolutely love the sound of the shutter and how bright the rangefinder is (now that I recently had cataract surgery/lens replacement). And with the latest firmware, I adjusted the white balance - moved the slider toward green away from magenta by 11 clicks, and toward the warm temperature by 2 clicks), and now its SOOC images are perfect - no magenta cast at all.