Jeff S Posted Saturday at 01:20 AM Share #1641 Posted Saturday at 01:20 AM (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 41 minutes ago, kiwidad said: Interesting . Wonder why the price changed back or maybe I just looked at the bp-scl7… for sure on the bp-scl7 Yes, the BP-SCL7 is $380, which is more relevant here, given it’s for the M11. The BP-SCL6 is for the SL2/3, Q3/43, etc. Sorry for any confusion. Edited Saturday at 01:24 AM by Jeff S Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jakontil Posted Saturday at 01:21 AM Share #1642 Posted Saturday at 01:21 AM Im curious if the M11-V allegedly will use the same maestro 3 sensor like other M11 series since the visoflex is probably a good example how much it can take in terms of liveview capability, it’s still limiting compared to what’s on the markeT Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwidad Posted Saturday at 01:37 AM Share #1643 Posted Saturday at 01:37 AM 3 hours ago, Jeff S said: A friend bought 2 more despite having 5 already for an SL3 and Q3-43. The real question to me why Canadian prices have been raised like US ones. Canada doesn’t exercise tariffs against China! Never realized how opportunistic Leica was! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted Saturday at 01:51 AM Share #1644 Posted Saturday at 01:51 AM 13 minutes ago, kiwidad said: The real question to me why Canadian prices have been raised like US ones. Canada doesn’t exercise tariffs against China! Never realized how opportunistic Leica was! Discussed in the tariff thread in the Bar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted Saturday at 02:18 AM Share #1645 Posted Saturday at 02:18 AM 1 hour ago, Erato said: It seems like the M11-Series firmware update is obsolete soon, just like the M10-Series. It’s not fair that M10 and M11 customers won’t get any further updates. I am wondering what 'new tricks' the cameras can do. In my experience, up to the M10 (I don't have an M11) they are all working beautifully. Even as far back as my M8's, no issues. So what benefit could I expect from upgrades? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted Saturday at 04:30 AM Share #1646 Posted Saturday at 04:30 AM 2 hours ago, erl said: I am wondering what 'new tricks' the cameras can do. In my experience, up to the M10 (I don't have an M11) they are all working beautifully. Even as far back as my M8's, no issues. So what benefit could I expect from upgrades? More M lens codes supporting Elmar 50mm F3.5, Summaron 35mm F2.8/F3.5, 90mm F3.5, 135mm F3.5 and more... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted Saturday at 07:20 AM Share #1647 Posted Saturday at 07:20 AM Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, Erato said: More M lens codes supporting Elmar 50mm F3.5, Summaron 35mm F2.8/F3.5, 90mm F3.5, 135mm F3.5 and more... Fair enough, if you need/want those. Do other M models support those lenses? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted Saturday at 08:29 AM Share #1648 Posted Saturday at 08:29 AM (edited) 1 hour ago, erl said: Fair enough, if you need/want those. Do other M models support those lenses? Not sure. Perhaps M9/M8 Series owners could help. Additional M lens code request for Summarit 50mm F1.5 and Elmarit 24mm F2.8 if possible. Edited Saturday at 08:33 AM by Erato Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted Saturday at 08:41 AM Share #1649 Posted Saturday at 08:41 AM I'm not aware of Leica 90/3.5 or 138/3.5 lenses, but Elmar 50/3.5, Summarons 35/2.8 or 35/3.5, or Summarit 50/1.5 have never got a Leica code since they were long discontinued when 6-bit coding has been implemented. However a good question could be to know if owners of discontinued bodies are entitled to claim for firmware updates about new Leica lenses that did not exist yet when their body has been discontinued. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted Saturday at 10:07 AM Share #1650 Posted Saturday at 10:07 AM 9 hours ago, kiwidad said: So why do manual lenses not also have this hot focus issue? Is it perhaps just long focal length lenses? Manual lenses certainly do show this issue. Lots of manual fast, long lenses (e.g for sports, wildlife, etc.) were designed to focus beyond infinity as they were developed (1970s). 180 f/2.8s, 300mm f/2.8-2.0s, 600mm f/4s, etc. They could not reliably focus to infinity otherwise. Yes, physical length plays a role, since the change is caused by the coefficient of thermal expansion - which is a multiplier or percentage. I.E. if a metal lens tube 15mm long will expand .01 mm with a temperature increase of X, then a lens tube 600mm long, of the same metal, will expand .40 mm with the same temperature change X. Interesting that plastics/polycarbonate have higher CTEs than brass or aluminum - may explain why certain plastic AF lens barrels need more - leeway - (more overshoot available) than M lenses. https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/linear-expansion-coefficients-d_95.html 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted Saturday at 10:47 AM Share #1651 Posted Saturday at 10:47 AM The advantage of composites is that the designer can control the expansion of the barrel by structurally combining materials with different expansion coefficients. There are experiments ( probably not (yet?) in lens design ) with heat-shrinking material. This is of much interest for my field of dentistry as the shrinkage and expansion of composite filling materials is a real problem for the longevity of fillings. M lenses reduce the problem by fixing the optical cell to the rear of the outer barrel, thus limiting the expansion to the inner barrel. With longer and more complex lenses this is not feasible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgeenen Posted Saturday at 10:53 AM Share #1652 Posted Saturday at 10:53 AM (edited) vor 9 Stunden schrieb jakontil: Im curious if the M11-V allegedly will use the same maestro 3 sensor like other M11 series since the visoflex is probably a good example how much it can take in terms of liveview capability, it’s still limiting compared to what’s on the markeT The Maestro 2/3 processorsshould be capable of running EVFs - Leica SL and Q cameras had proven this since first generation. But probably the Visoflex is using a less performant interface (or the bandwidth had been dialed down for reliability or power saving reasons). Edited Saturday at 10:53 AM by jgeenen 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted Saturday at 11:00 AM Share #1653 Posted Saturday at 11:00 AM The original Visoflex of the 240 could not be upgraded to the newer and better Olympus made by Epson variant as Leica could not get it to work through limitations in processing power. Before blaming Leica, at the time the firmware was provided by a division of Zeiss. A large division that even provided the weapon systems software for F16 fighters. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted Saturday at 11:16 AM Share #1654 Posted Saturday at 11:16 AM 23 minutes ago, jgeenen said: The Maestro 2/3 processorsshould be capable of running EVFs - Leica SL and Q cameras had proven this since first generation. But probably the Visoflex is using a less performant interface (or the bandwidth had been dialed down for reliability or power saving reasons). Of course.. just how good the experience on M11 i wonder Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandro Posted Saturday at 12:52 PM Share #1655 Posted Saturday at 12:52 PM 11 hours ago, Erato said: It seems like the M11-Series firmware update is obsolete soon, just like the M10-Series. It’s not fair that M10 and M11 customers won’t get any further updates. How would you know these customers won't get any further updates? Lex Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted Saturday at 03:10 PM Share #1656 Posted Saturday at 03:10 PM 2 hours ago, sandro said: How would you know these customers won't get any further updates? Lex The latest update that we can find on the official website is here: https://leica-camera.com/en-int/photography/cameras/m/m10-monochrom/downloads?srsltid=AfmBOoro3jeJkWI6HwB_ttF4LXGK5Rm9HQS_E_49K85huNb5pb95IJT1 Alternative is here: https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2022/11/leica-firmware-update-for-m10-generation-cameras/ Release date: November 2022 We would be grateful if you could provide any further updates. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted Saturday at 04:40 PM Share #1657 Posted Saturday at 04:40 PM 16 hours ago, kiwidad said: The two biggie reseller in Ny had them in stock on evening and in stock the next morning. The just made a buttload more profit! They won't make any profit unless they sell them 😁 I don't imagine anyone will be buying a battery for $380 that wasn't worth the $200 it was before. Most will wait to see if/when the tariffs are reduced or lifted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted Saturday at 05:06 PM Share #1658 Posted Saturday at 05:06 PM 8 hours ago, Erato said: [...] Additional M lens code request for Summarit 50mm F1.5 and Elmarit 24mm F2.8 if possible. There is no specific 6-bit code for the Summarit 50/1.5 that was discontinued in the 60s if memory serves. It has similar vignetting as the Summilux 50/1.4 v2 AFAIK so it can be coded as such (000101) presumably. I have no experience with it though. As for the Elmarit 24/2.8 asph its 6-bit code is 011001. See coded flange below. FWIW. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5796099'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted Sunday at 12:29 AM Share #1659 Posted Sunday at 12:29 AM Post and follow-up posts removed for contravention of Forum rules. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted Sunday at 12:31 AM Share #1660 Posted Sunday at 12:31 AM 9 hours ago, Erato said: The latest update that we can find on the official website is here: https://leica-camera.com/en-int/photography/cameras/m/m10-monochrom/downloads?srsltid=AfmBOoro3jeJkWI6HwB_ttF4LXGK5Rm9HQS_E_49K85huNb5pb95IJT1 Alternative is here: https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2022/11/leica-firmware-update-for-m10-generation-cameras/ Release date: November 2022 We would be grateful if you could provide any further updates. What specifically? Just updating for updating's sake would be meaningless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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