EVF M rumoured

[Dazzajl]

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13 minutes ago, M11 for me said:

You are absolutely right. At that time they called their results "photographs".

Photographs, photos, it’s all showing our age. If you want to be current, it’s now ‘content’ and you ‘create’ it. 

[M11 for me]

vor 10 Minuten schrieb Dazzajl:

Photographs, photos, it’s all showing our age. If you want to be current, it’s now ‘content’ and you ‘create’ it. 

I have nothing to add to that 🤔

Considering my own age, I have to add after all  . . .

Edited April 1 by M11 for me

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Wow ⋯⋯ 64 pages!

[M11 for me]

vor 17 Minuten schrieb swatch:

Wow ⋯⋯ 64 pages!

Yes. The camera will sell like mad with all this publcity and interest 😇

[pgk]

4 hours ago, pedaes said:

As the tee shirt says 

I use M. I've used A occasionally. I know what S and P do, though I've don't think that I've ever actually bothered using them. Never thought about using the others and would have to read a manual to figure exactly what they do. So for me the tee shirt would be overkill😁.

[bcaslis]

4 hours ago, Leicaflex said:

Video would actually be very interesting and a good differentiation to the classic M. And what else could „V“ stand for , if not Video 🤓

But somehow I can‘t imagine them doing it. IBIS would be even more useful and the heat management would be more difficult.

I absolutely don't want video and adding video would be an absolute no buy for an M11-V. A product needs focus on what is important and not. One of the things I like about the M is it's stills only photography. I just an integrated EVF added. If I wanted video I would use a Canon or Nikon not a Leica.

Threads like this meander all over with lots of "oh let's add this!". A product needs focus, I think what most are asking for (I certainly am) is take the M11, replace the rangefinder with an EVF. Do it right and make good manual focusing tools in the EVF (not just stupid focus peaking) and this also allows a histogram to judge exposure before taking the shot. Done, no need to mess around with anything else.

 

[tom0511]

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I think video would make total sense for an M with evf.

but that's me.

[SrMi]

37 minutes ago, tom0511 said:

I think video would make total sense for an M with evf.

but that's me.

Maybe. Then we can have here similar threads as in the SL and Q forums: "How do I prevent accidentally switching to video mode?"🤣

[lct]

Does video make sense with manual lenses? As an M-mount camera, the EVF-M (M11-V?) has little reason to retain video, especially if Leica wants to keep the body thinner than the M240. I have no info about that though.

[Leicaflex]

vor einer Stunde schrieb bcaslis:

I absolutely don't want video and adding video would be an absolute no buy for an M11-V. A product needs focus on what is important and not. One of the things I like about the M is it's stills only photography. I just an integrated EVF added. If I wanted video I would use a Canon or Nikon not a Leica.

Threads like this meander all over with lots of "oh let's add this!". A product needs focus, I think what most are asking for (I certainly am) is take the M11, replace the rangefinder with an EVF. Do it right and make good manual focusing tools in the EVF (not just stupid focus peaking) and this also allows a histogram to judge exposure before taking the shot. Done, no need to mess around with anything else.

 

Everybody has to decide for themself and no one has to buy such a camera. 
Leica will closely monitor the market and has to dicide how a new M model can differentiate itself from the rest of the pack.
There is no denying that video has become much more important thanks to  social media. It’s a huge market and there are plenty of people with enough money to spare who aren‘t interested in a SLR-style SL or any other mirrorless camera from brand XYZ.

I always thought the perspective control was such a strange and useless function purely for photography. In the end it’s just a form of image stabilization. Maybe it was just the prototype for a digital image stabilization for video.

Let‘s see …

[BernardC]

9 hours ago, SrMi said:

In the old times, much more knowledge was required than today, especially in chemistry.

Kodak's famous slogan dates back to 1888, but photography would have been much more complicated prior to that. An ancestor of mine ran a photo studio in the mid-19th century; I'm sure that chemical knowledge was essential to his business.

[bcaslis]

43 minutes ago, Leicaflex said:

Everybody has to decide for themself and no one has to buy such a camera. 
Leica will closely monitor the market and has to dicide how a new M model can differentiate itself from the rest of the pack.
There is no denying that video has become much more important thanks to  social media. It’s a huge market and there are plenty of people with enough money to spare who aren‘t interested in a SLR-style SL or any other mirrorless camera from brand XYZ.

I always thought the perspective control was such a strange and useless function purely for photography. In the end it’s just a form of image stabilization. Maybe it was just the prototype for a digital image stabilization for video.

Let‘s see …

Does anyone really people want to use an M for social media? How about a flip screen for selfies? Next we will talking about adding features for "content creators". Nobody, absolutely nobody is waiting for Leica to add limited video to a $9K camera just so now "oh goody I can use my M for social media".

[tappan]

Surprising newspaper and magazine articles are out today, April 1st, regarding the new rumored EVF Leica.
According to the American trade periodical The Bokeh Bugle and the French magazine APO Appétit, the new name of the camera will be M11-VS.
V is for what we all now know will be EVF, but the surprising "S" is for Sofort. Apparently the new camera will be a hybrid digital and instamatic/instant camera. This should be GREAT! So excited.
Mark
Happy #AprilFoolsDay

 

 

[jaapv]

🤣  Did you have a look at the date? 

[setuporg]

It's rumoured that the colours of the EVF-M will be glamourous.

[jaapv]

50 minutes ago, bcaslis said:

Does anyone really people want to use an M for social media? How about a flip screen for selfies? Next we will talking about adding features for "content creators". Nobody, absolutely nobody is waiting for Leica to add limited video to a $9K camera just so now "oh goody I can use my M for social media".

I’m not sure this corresponds to reality. Video on an M is not primarily aimed at social media use. The camera is a travel and reportage one. For those uses “moving stills” and “talking heads” are more than useful.

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, Leicaflex said:

Everybody has to decide for themself and no one has to buy such a camera. 
Leica will closely monitor the market and has to dicide how a new M model can differentiate itself from the rest of the pack.
There is no denying that video has become much more important thanks to  social media. It’s a huge market and there are plenty of people with enough money to spare who aren‘t interested in a SLR-style SL or any other mirrorless camera from brand XYZ.

I always thought the perspective control was such a strange and useless function purely for photography. In the end it’s just a form of image stabilization. Maybe it was just the prototype for a digital image stabilization for video.

Let‘s see …

Umm. Perspective Control has absolutely nothing to do with image stabilization. Not even close. It is a digital simulation of a tilt lens and as such quite successful. I find that I use it regularly especially in landscape photography. 

[adan]

This thread is reminding me that the funniest entertainment on the internet (except for videos of dogs trying to chew toffee) is watching non-engineers try to discuss camera engineering. 🤪

Take video, since the subject came up (again).

A video function is not just something one adds to the menu.

It requires additional space-consuming parts - microphones, for a start (and the punctures in the camera shell to "let the sound in," but whichwill also let in water, etc.), An extra CB and/or connections to the CPU. Electrical connections to a "video button" someplace.

And (in a competent camera) a heat sink. Because video draws current continously - and electrical current (moving electrons) produces heat (photons in the infrared frequencies). Just ask Thomas Edison (inventor of the too-hot-to-touch electric light bulb).

So the sensor and its environment heats up with every second it is "on." And a warm sensor produces more image-noise.

There is a reason that the M(typ 240) cameras with video are "bloato-Ms." And why Leica deleted the video function to produce the svelte M10/M11 bodies.

To a much lesser extent, the same is true of an EVF/LCD itself - IF it is trapped inside the camera shell. Its LED backlighting runs far cooler than Edison's light bulb. But it is NOT totally "heat-free" when in operation. And every second of operation adds more heat.

Placed on the outside of the camera, "in the breeze," so to speak (LCDs on the back, EVFs in a separate casing on the accessory shoe), they are, of course, less of a problem.

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If one wants a real hint of the engineering involved, one can look at this "deconstruction" of a Leica SL (which of course does video, and has a built-in EVF).

Watch the video version, or just look at the still-photo excerpts: https://www.nofocus.blog/home/leica-sl-teardown-diy

Note the heat sinks (multiple cubic centimeters of heat-conducting metal, smeared out to sheets on the inside and outside of the back.)

Note the size of the SL's EVF module in several views (with or without its viewing eyepiece).

Note (for those who expect IBIS) the thickness of the IBIS sensor support (two thickish metal sheets with springs between them) in the view from the bottom.

Then - if one hopes for an-SL-grade EVF, video, or IBIS in an EVF-M - that is still the size of an M10/11, come back with at least an engineering sketch (with realistic measurements - fantasy is for children) of where all those parts will fit into the M volume/form factor - even after removing the classic RF. Here's a starting point.....

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Edited April 1 by adan

[jaapv]

I was thinking of the space created by omitting the whole rangefinder mechanism, Andy And  camera microphones use waterproof membranes  As do the little speakers  

An EVF M would need a constant video feed anyway. 

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[Leicaflex]

vor einer Stunde schrieb bcaslis:

Does anyone really people want to use an M for social media? How about a flip screen for selfies? Next we will talking about adding features for "content creators". Nobody, absolutely nobody is waiting for Leica to add limited video to a $9K camera just so now "oh goody I can use my M for social media".

Is there a market for a M-mount camera with decent video and EVF? For sure! Why wouldn‘t there?

I’m pretty sure Leica would love to sell (more) cameras to young and well heeled costumors and give them an alternative for the Q without risking the Q‘s success.

Does such a camera needs to have every feature the big brand have? Absolutely not! It just has to be a unique experience. hard enough.