T25UFO Posted March 31 Share #1241 Posted March 31 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, IkarusJohn said: Ah, that puts the problem into clear perspective, thank you! Really? If I have to both read and understand this article in order to enjoy my photographic hobby I will go back to paint brush and canvas. Leonardo painted some pretty sharp images without digilloyd's help 🤣 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pgk Posted March 31 Share #1242 Posted March 31 On 3/30/2025 at 4:59 PM, SrMi said: Shutter shock is a camera vibration caused by the movement of the mechanical shutter. To continue the off-topicness. When I was a student I had to shoot some film with a Fastax high speed 16mm camera (100' in 1s if I remember correctly). As a subject I chose a Pentax shutter to show the shutter 'bounce'. My film worked and viewed in normal time it showed very clearly the shutter released, travel the length of the film chamber then stop creating an impact, with multiple vibrations, before bouncing slightly and returning and in doing so creating yet more vibrations. The second curtain then followed. Anyone viewing this would have been amazed that anything so vibration prone could ever have taken sharp images and yet Pentaxes worked and shot some great images. They also suffered mirror slap and bounce. Shutters are much improved today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted March 31 Share #1243 Posted March 31 2 hours ago, pgk said: To continue the off-topicness. When I was a student I had to shoot some film with a Fastax high speed 16mm camera (100' in 1s if I remember correctly). As a subject I chose a Pentax shutter to show the shutter 'bounce'. My film worked and viewed in normal time it showed very clearly the shutter released, travel the length of the film chamber then stop creating an impact, with multiple vibrations, before bouncing slightly and returning and in doing so creating yet more vibrations. The second curtain then followed. Anyone viewing this would have been amazed that anything so vibration prone could ever have taken sharp images and yet Pentaxes worked and shot some great images. They also suffered mirror slap and bounce. Shutters are much improved today. What you saw was vibration in the shutter and curtain and not in the film. This was illustrated to me at Kodak many many years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted April 1 Share #1244 Posted April 1 8 hours ago, jdlaing said: What you saw was vibration in the shutter and curtain and not in the film. This was illustrated to me at Kodak many many years ago. Indeed, and whilst the energy had to dissipate somewhere, it didn't seem to translate into unsharp images. Nikon F's almost suffered from recoil but the same applies. Perhaps we worry overly much about such topics these days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted April 1 Share #1245 Posted April 1 43 minutes ago, pgk said: Perhaps we worry overly much about such topics these days? I think we worry too much about a lot of things. How did they even manage to take pictures in the old days without all the aids and features that we think are so vital today? 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted April 1 Share #1246 Posted April 1 58 minutes ago, evikne said: I think we worry too much about a lot of things. How did they even manage to take pictures in the old days without all the aids and features that we think are so vital today? We didn’t. There were no photos taken before AF, EVFs and IBIS. You’ve just been brainwashed into thinking there were by the same people that want you to believe the earth is a globe. It’s a NASA conspiracy!! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted April 1 Share #1247 Posted April 1 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, evikne said: I think we worry too much about a lot of things. How did they even manage to take pictures in the old days without all the aids and features that we think are so vital today? In the old times, much more knowledge was required than today, especially in chemistry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted April 1 Share #1248 Posted April 1 15 minutes ago, SrMi said: In the old times, much more knowledge was required than today, especially in chemistry. Today anyone can take a photo, use Ai and claim to be a photographer. What a wonderful world we live in. We should all be so happy.🤔 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted April 1 Share #1249 Posted April 1 (edited) 8 minutes ago, pgk said: Today anyone can take a photo, use Ai and claim to be a photographer. What a wonderful world we live in. We should all be so happy.🤔 As the tee shirt says Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited April 1 by pedaes 5 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419143-evf-m-rumoured/?do=findComment&comment=5780002'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 1 Share #1250 Posted April 1 2 hours ago, pgk said: Indeed, and whilst the energy had to dissipate somewhere, it didn't seem to translate into unsharp images. Nikon F's almost suffered from recoil but the same applies. Perhaps we worry overly much about such topics these days? Film is much more forgiving, as it is has an emulsion thickness and the light gets dispersed in the emulsion layer. A sensor has an infinitely thin plane of focus with the receptors of sub-micron size. Nor did we judge film on 27" screens @ 100% magnification. We looked at the prints and 3 m away from the projection screen. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted April 1 Share #1251 Posted April 1 Am 25.3.2025 um 17:49 schrieb JNK100: It's just me perhaps. An 'M' appeals to me as it an anachronism and there is nothing like it. An 'M' with an EVF instead would not be the same experience at all. By all means offer a new camera with an EVF but an SL with an adaptor meets this requirement admirably already in my view. I am happy to be an outlier! I also prefer a rangefinder myself, but for those prefering an EVF an "M" with built in EVF has some advantages over just using an SL+adapter: -smaller size and better weight/size balance with M lens -The M body could detect if you turn the focus weel (if the design it this way) and then go to magnification as soon as you turn the focus ring. The M10/11...do that when using an evf on them. -it could have more simple menu and button system, since you dont need the AF and film menues 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 1 Share #1252 Posted April 1 Well, I would not be surprised if Leica introduced video on an EVF M if only to differentiate it more from the optical one. The anti-video crowd would not buy such a camera anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexx Posted April 1 Share #1253 Posted April 1 6 minutes ago, jaapv said: Well, I would not be surprised if Leica introduced video on an EVF M if only to differentiate it more from the optical one. The anti-video crowd would not buy such a camera anyway. Was M240 the last one to feature video? (I haven’t had any other digital M apart from 240) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 1 Share #1254 Posted April 1 Yes - The M10 was smaller and the heat management could not handle Video - so Leica used the opposition to the inclusion of Video by a small but quite vocal group of owners as a marketing excuse to omit it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 1 Share #1255 Posted April 1 1 hour ago, pedaes said: As the tee shirt says Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Dog owner? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted April 1 Share #1256 Posted April 1 1 hour ago, jaapv said: Well, I would not be surprised if Leica introduced video on an EVF M if only to differentiate it more from the optical one. The anti-video crowd would not buy such a camera anyway. I doubt that adding video to an M would be a purchase deterrent for people who are happy now without video. If M gets video then it is what it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted April 1 Share #1257 Posted April 1 2 hours ago, jaapv said: Film is much more forgiving, as it is has an emulsion thickness and the light gets dispersed in the emulsion layer. A sensor has an infinitely thin plane of focus with the receptors of sub-micron size. Nor did we judge film on 27" screens @ 100% magnification. We looked at the prints and 3 m away from the projection screen. We didn't try to wring large format results out of 35mm cameras. When I copy 35mm slides and negatives I'm still amazed at how good some are although, that said, in terms of image content information they are not up to even my M9's output. But they could be 'sharp' enough within their performance envelope. The problem today is a fixation on largely irrelevant technical aspects. This is typified by the desire for an evfM which will be hamstrung by the legacy M mount but which still will need to perform exceptionally well apparently😆. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaflex Posted April 1 Share #1258 Posted April 1 vor 2 Stunden schrieb jaapv: Well, I would not be surprised if Leica introduced video on an EVF M if only to differentiate it more from the optical one. The anti-video crowd would not buy such a camera anyway. Video would actually be very interesting and a good differentiation to the classic M. And what else could „V“ stand for , if not Video 🤓 But somehow I can‘t imagine them doing it. IBIS would be even more useful and the heat management would be more difficult. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted April 1 Share #1259 Posted April 1 vor 3 Stunden schrieb Dazzajl: There were no photos taken before AF, EVFs and IBIS. You are absolutely right. At that time they called their results "photographs". 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted April 1 Share #1260 Posted April 1 (edited) 4 hours ago, pedaes said: As the tee shirt says Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thanks for the tip! I'll have to get my hands on one of these! 😄 Edited April 1 by evikne 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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