EVF M rumoured

[Elliot Harper]

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Technically a more serious question, on all those system with AF such as Q and SL, instead of having focus peaking, can they implement some sort of electronic focus patch to mimic the rangefinder feeling? I imagine it should not be technically impossible but why nobody does that ?

Edited February 10 by Elliot Harper

[Jon Warwick]

9 minutes ago, Elliot Harper said:

Technically a more serious question, on all those system with AF such as Q and SL, instead of having focus peaking, can they implement some sort of electronic focus patch to mimic the rangefinder feeling? I imagine it should not be technically impossible but why nobody does that ?

My Fuji GFX offers a digital split image, and digital micro prism , so the concept kind of exists out there, but I’ve admittedly not tried it (I should have a go!)

[charlesphoto99]

40 minutes ago, phojomatic said:

low-angles

With a bit of practice it's entirely possible and quite satisfactory to do low angles with an M without an EVF. This is with what would now be considered by some the archaic and entirely useless M9. Believe me, I didn't sprawl myself on the floor for this shot. Knelt down, focused on the hands, and then lowered the camera in the same plain to nearly the floor, and shot away. Maybe need to adjust focus slightly for the difference in angle from eye to floor (basic math).  I do this all the time. What I love about the M is that because one isn't getting exactly what one sees through he rangefinder, there's a psychological freeing up of shooting with the camera away from the eye that I just don't seem to have as much with an SLR (though I often did it nonetheless) or an EVF, and esp anything autofocus. 

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[phojomatic]

40 minutes ago, Elliot Harper said:

Technically a more serious question, on all those system with AF such as Q and SL, instead of having focus peaking, can they implement some sort of electronic focus patch to mimic the rangefinder feeling? I imagine it should not be technically impossible but why nobody does that ?

I have the digital spilt screen on my XPro2 and I think a few other options for EVF focus. But never use any bc Fuji lenses are focus by wire and you have to turn and turn them for adjustment. If Leica could couple the RF lenses with a quick focus patch response, that would be useful and way better (meaning, more enjoyable) than shooting with focus peaking. 

[jdlaing]

It’s coupled with a quick focus patch response right now. Has been for a long time.

[SiggiGun]

If the rumor is correct, I hope will see a Messucher (Rangefinder) as EVF. Same image in the Frame with the frame lines for the connected lens. Will see 

[Smogg]

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What makes you think that the focus assist in the EVF-M will be different from the Q3 (magnification, red pixels)? If Leica had found another way, it would have done it in the Q3 and SL3 by now.

[Stephen.s1]

On 2/9/2025 at 11:07 AM, pgk said:

The last few Ms can still produce, and do produce, great images.

Uhhh... ANY camera can produce great images

[SiggiGun]

vor 11 Minuten schrieb Smogg:

What makes you think that the focus assist in the EVF-M will be different from the Q3 (magnification, red pixels)? If Leica had found another way, it would have done it in the Q3 and SL3 by now.

That's wishful thinking. Don't forget that it's the rangefinder that has kept the Leica M alive for 70 years. The SL and Q are more in the tradition of reflex cameras.

[Smogg]

4 minutes ago, SiggiGun said:

That's wishful thinking. Don't forget that it's the rangefinder that has kept the Leica M alive for 70 years. The SL and Q are more in the tradition of reflex cameras.

This camera will have nothing to do with the rangefinder, except for the same bayonet. And to qualitatively emulate the rangefinder patch, a serious software solution is needed. On Fuji, it looks terrible. Are you sure that Leica is capable of this?

[SrMi]

6 hours ago, jaapv said:

I have arthritis in my knees - it even interfered with my skiing this year, but I don’t feel mocked. 😇

You are a dentist. You are used to being mocked on forums  -- Rolex, Leica, and all that stuff ;-).

[evikne]

14 minutes ago, Smogg said:

And to qualitatively emulate the rangefinder patch, a serious software solution is needed. On Fuji, it looks terrible. Are you sure that Leica is capable of this?

I thought a digital split image was a good idea until I saw it demonstrated somewhere. I forgot that the viewfinder image is blurred until it is focused. And it's much harder to adjust the focus patch in a blurred image than when everything is sharp.

[SrMi]

27 minutes ago, Smogg said:

What makes you think that the focus assist in the EVF-M will be different from the Q3 (magnification, red pixels)? If Leica had found another way, it would have done it in the Q3 and SL3 by now.

With automatic aperture stop-down, one can focus manually with Q3 with some effort. For many, and when using an EVF, it is tough to focus precisely with the aperture stopped down to f/8 and 35mm or 28mm focal length. Being forced always to open the aperture for focusing and close it for exposure is not a good solution. I would think that Leica recognizes that and would work on a solution if an EVF M is coming at all (not a given, IMO).

[SrMi]

1 minute ago, evikne said:

I thought a digital split image was a good idea until I saw it demonstrated somewhere. I forgot that the viewfinder image is blurred until it is focused. And it's much harder to adjust the focus patch in a blurred image than when everything is sharp.

I see focusing on the hypothetical M-EVF as a two-step:

- change focus until the image in the EVF is sharp

- precise focus using digital split image

[pgk]

32 minutes ago, Stephen.s1 said:

Uhhh... ANY camera can produce great images

Indeed. My oldest dates from the late 19th century and is still perfectly capable. The concept that any camera is out of date is an odd one.

Edited February 10 by pgk

[costa43]

To be honest I do not enjoy the experience of manual focus with an EVF when it comes to people in a picture that much. I tend to see a scene and then spend time focusing more on peaking or zooming on what is sharp rather than my subject in the moment and then I lose that moment. I also find that the peaking and the exposure comp darkening the screen muddies my view somewhat and makes it hard for me to see what I am shooting. The rangefinder is a dream for manual focus, clear window with almost everything in focus besides the patch. Nighttime, daytime there is no difference, bright days no difference. That being said, if this EVF M materialises then I'd like to see some focus assist for the eyes of a human if possible like Nikon. As there are no electrical contacts on M lenses this may not be so easy to implement though. Otherwise, happy with current approach, the EVF needs to be as good as is available on the market. On the plus side with an EVF is the close focus capability and the ease of nailing focus on slow/non moving subjects wide open.

[Smogg]

7 minutes ago, costa43 said:

To be honest I do not enjoy the experience of manual focus with an EVF when it comes to people in a picture that much. I tend to see a scene and then spend time focusing more on peaking or zooming on what is sharp rather than my subject in the moment and then I lose that moment. I also find that the peaking and the exposure comp darkening the screen muddies my view somewhat and makes it hard for me to see what I am shooting. The rangefinder is a dream for manual focus, clear window with almost everything in focus besides the patch. Nighttime, daytime there is no difference, bright days no difference. That being said, if this EVF M materialises then I'd like to see some focus assist for the eyes of a human if possible like Nikon. As there are no electrical contacts on M lenses this may not be so easy to implement though. Otherwise, happy with current approach, the EVF needs to be as good as is available on the market. On the plus side with an EVF is the close focus capability and the ease of nailing focus on slow/non moving subjects wide open.

Sometimes I use the Visoflex on the M11, but I always set the settings to emulate exposure only when the shutter button is half-pressed. This allows you to always have a bright EVF and at the same time see the correct exposure immediately before the shot. Unfortunately, the Q3 and SL3 do not have this setting.

[costa43]

Just now, Smogg said:

Sometimes I use the Visoflex on the M11, but I always set the settings to emulate exposure only when the shutter button is half-pressed. This allows you to always have a bright EVF and at the same time see the correct exposure immediately before the shot. Unfortunately, the Q3 and SL3 do not have this setting.

I've noticed that being omitted too. It's really annoying right. Especially on sunny days when I'm underexposing a fair bit.

[Smudgerer]

40 minutes ago, SrMi said:

You are a dentist. You are used to being mocked on forums  -- Rolex, Leica, and all that stuff ;-).

Almost rude...........Why did you post this?

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[Steve Ash]

vor 6 Minuten schrieb Smudgerer:

Almost rude...........Why did you post this?

Until you made an issue out of it it was just a joke by pointing to stereotypes.

BTW, Jaap is a moderator and has the power to edit if he feels insulted.

Edited February 10 by Steve Ash