Sell M10R Black Paint to part fund M Edition 70?

[T25UFO]

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Here's a conundrum . . . I have a confirmed order on the new M Edition 70 but will need to sell something to part fund the purchase.  My M10R BP will sell for around £9,000 leaving £12,000 to pay on the new M Edition 70.  I'm not buying 70 as an investment and will use it, but I suppose I could always sell it later, if necessary.  

I wouldn't expect the 70 set to drop in value, but who knows.  So the conundrum: sell the M10R BP (I keep telling myself that Black Paint is only cosmetic) and buy the Edition 70, or keep the M10R BP and pass on the Edition 70?  I can't afford the other option of keep and buy!  Views of other forum members?

[jakontil]

I would sell the m10r BP and get the m70 right away

m10r bp no matter how u see it, its just a digital… i sold mine to only fund the m11 bp cosmetically

limited edition for a mass production camera… i was prolonging my digital camera 😂

[dugby]

I've tried to determine the combined weights of :

a) the M Edition 70 body with Leicavit M fast winder

b) the special edition Leica APO-Summicron-M 50mm f/2 ASPH lens that’s also platinum coated.

 

The public specifications on weight are not obvious.  Just curious as to how much weight this combo will be ?

 

 

 

[overexposed]

considering that my local leica store still has a brand new edition 70 in their shelves definitely screams not to buy it as an investment

[Eoin]

Personally, I don't get the attraction of special editions, I'm already paying a premium for Leica, I'm just not of the mindset of paying extra on top for essentially the same functionality, but that's just me.

I had to google the M Edition 70, beautiful looking set but can't quite fathom the £21,000 price tag and the ongoing costs associated with shooting film.
I'm fully digital now for more than 20 years and traded my darkroom skills and chemical inhalation for the computer screen and large format printer.

But hey ... life is short, if it's something very personal to you, go for it. 
 

Edited January 17 by Eoin

[T25UFO]

4 minutes ago, overexposed said:

considering that my local leica store still has a brand new edition 70 in their shelves definitely screams not to buy it as an investment

That's interesting, I was told the production run is scheduled for late January but maybe Germany gets its supply early.

[overexposed]

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Just now, T25UFO said:

That's interesting, I was told the production run is scheduled for late January but maybe Germany gets its supply early.

are we talking about the same limited edition (M-A and 50APO) that was announced in october?

[T25UFO]

3 minutes ago, Eoin said:

Personally, I don't get the attraction of special editions, I'm already paying a premium for Leica, I'm just not of the mindset of paying extra on top for essentially the same functionality, but that's just me.

I had to google the M Edition 70, beautiful looking set but can't quite fathom the £21,000 price tag and the ongoing costs associated with shooting film.
I'm fully digital now for more than 20 years and traded by darkroom skills and chemical inhalation for the computer screen and large format printer.

But hey ... life is short, if it's something very personal to you, go for it. 
 

I suppose my [maybe misguided] logic was if the net cost is £12,000 with the M10R traded, then it might be worth it.  Still sitting on the fence!

[T25UFO]

2 minutes ago, overexposed said:

are we talking about the same limited edition (M-A and 50APO) that was announced in october?

Yes, this one:

https://leica-camera.com/en-GB/photography/cameras/m/m-edition-70

A similar M-A Titan edition of 2018 now seems to be selling at a 50% premium, but it's such a small market so impossible to know where it's going.

[Eoin]

1 minute ago, T25UFO said:

I suppose my [maybe misguided] logic was if the net cost is £12,000 with the M10R traded, then it might be worth it.  Still sitting on the fence!

Very easy to discount (forget) the other £9k when the heart wants what the heart wants. It's a serious amount of wedge for an analog camera, the Leica marketing has obviously been tugging at those heart strings.
Ask yourself this, would you ordinarily be in the market for a film M (whatever model) and an APO 50, or is it the draw of the Edition 70 that has you fixated.
At the end of the day, regardless of aesthetics, it's just a camera. We all have our own personal vices and fetiches, I don't envy your dilemma, but best wishes in whatever you decide.

[GFW2-SCUSA]

My question would be, will the 70 improve my photographs?  If not, then I would put my money to better use. But we all know the truth of Pascal's statement, "The heart has it's reason that reason doesn't know". (or close to it)

[T25UFO]

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Edited January 17 by T25UFO

[Overgaard]

On 1/17/2025 at 8:17 AM, overexposed said:

considering that my local leica store still has a brand new edition 70 in their shelves definitely screams not to buy it as an investment

To show, or for sale?

[overexposed]

21 hours ago, Overgaard said:

To show, or for sale?

sale

[pgh]

No limited edition cash grab like this is worth it if what you're interested in is producing photographs. 

If you're interested in rare things, then okay. This is something made for a shelf. Or otherwise, someone where money is no object and there is no care to spend exorbitantly more money to make a photograph that is the same as it would be with the same camera sans platinum coating. 

No photograph ever was made better by the camera being some limited edition series, and pretty much no good photographs ever were made by these collector's items because hardly any photographers who spend their time and resources producing such images are going to spend it on ridiculous cosmetic embellishments for a tool that is otherwise the same. 

[dugby]

Actually there have been some very limited edition cameras that had to be heavily modified to take good photographs, and the owners paid huge dollars for them-

 

"A heavily modified 500 EL, the so-called Hasselblad Electric Camera (HEC) was used from Apollo 8 on board the spacecraft. Three 500 EL cameras were carried on Apollo 11. An even more extensively modified Hasselblad EL data camera (HDC), equipped with a special Zeiss 5.6/60 mm Biogon lens and film magazines for 150–200 exposures, was used on the Moon surface on the Apollo 11 mission."

[Olaf_ZG]

On 1/28/2025 at 6:38 AM, dugby said:

Actually there have been some very limited edition cameras that had to be heavily modified to take good photographs, and the owners paid huge dollars for them-

 

"A heavily modified 500 EL, the so-called Hasselblad Electric Camera (HEC) was used from Apollo 8 on board the spacecraft. Three 500 EL cameras were carried on Apollo 11. An even more extensively modified Hasselblad EL data camera (HDC), equipped with a special Zeiss 5.6/60 mm Biogon lens and film magazines for 150–200 exposures, was used on the Moon surface on the Apollo 11 mission."

Are you sure they landed on the moon?

Edited January 29 by Olaf_ZG

[_leicaguru]

On 1/17/2025 at 7:03 PM, T25UFO said:

Here's a conundrum . . . I have a confirmed order on the new M Edition 70 but will need to sell something to part fund the purchase.  My M10R BP will sell for around £9,000 leaving £12,000 to pay on the new M Edition 70.  I'm not buying 70 as an investment and will use it, but I suppose I could always sell it later, if necessary.  

I wouldn't expect the 70 set to drop in value, but who knows.  So the conundrum: sell the M10R BP (I keep telling myself that Black Paint is only cosmetic) and buy the Edition 70, or keep the M10R BP and pass on the Edition 70?  I can't afford the other option of keep and buy!  Views of other forum members?

I would never think of doing such a thing, even if I had the money to purchase it and keep both. Those cameras are for hoity toity collectors. Something else would be, hey I want to sell my BP M10R because I have the chance of getting a just overhauled M2 with original black paint patina and a matching black paint 50 cron rigid, both brassing original paint and both fully serviced professionally and I want to switch to a film M. I would say go for it. But the camera you want to buy I find it obnoxious. It's like buying a neon pink Ferrari to commute to work every day. 

You already have what is, in my opinion, the last prettiest classic digital Leica M they made. If you are going to sell it then it should be something equally as classic.

Edited February 2 by _leicaguru

[AceVentura1986]

On 1/17/2025 at 8:25 AM, Eoin said:

Personally, I don't get the attraction of special editions, I'm already paying a premium for Leica, I'm just not of the mindset of paying extra on top for essentially the same functionality, but that's just me.

I had to google the M Edition 70, beautiful looking set but can't quite fathom the £21,000 price tag and the ongoing costs associated with shooting film.
I'm fully digital now for more than 20 years and traded my darkroom skills and chemical inhalation for the computer screen and large format printer.

But hey ... life is short, if it's something very personal to you, go for it. 
 

My thoughts exactly. We’re already paying premium prices for Leicas as it is, even for used Leicas. My mind boggles thinking I’m walking the streets with a camera that was sold for $9kUS before depreciation. Now a camera valued at the price of a small car? Yeah, just can’t see it esp for plain 35mm film. It’ll shoot the same image as my 60 YO M3, that between purchase and CLA has cost me less than 1/10 the price of this special edition. 

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[T25UFO]

The jury has reached its verdict.  A daft idea and I won’t do it.  Thread closed!