Tilt Shift Lens for L mount

[helged]

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20 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

Hi, 

lenses are tools. 
And you can use them in a “correct” , “normal” way, but they can also be used differently. 

Tilt-shift lenses exist because there was a need for correction. 
But they are not only used this way. 
I know that the LPC control is established so that you can correct perspective. 
But what if you want to put the sharp part of the lens in a line diagonal through your picture. Let’s say for the eyes of a person that move a bit. 
Then you can’t do this with a normal lens. 
And yes you can do this with lensbaby, but what if you want to have some perfection in parts of the images and less in other parts: 

To me photography is not perfection. I am seeking with the best tools for imperfections in the 3 dimensional environment that is surrounding me. 
 

It may be that I am alone. Then I have to take this for the team. 

We are explorers and with AI getting much better every day, there will be no cameras for the people that can describe the images they like to generate. And this is ok. 
But I like to paint with light. 
And if no one sees the point of checking TS lenses, then I am fine with this. 
Then I switch to a system for this purpose that gives me the best tilt shift experience. 
 

But I was looking for people that are sailors of the light rays that want to see things a new way, different way, strange way, old way. 
 

So there maybe no incentive and market for these lenses. But I know there are pictures to take, that you cannot make with a “normal” lens. 

I also use these lenses for panoramic shots. You can make stunning images out of the box with this lenses, that compute much better when stitched. 
 

And you can use this to make higher mpx images of portraits if you need the higher resolution. You take the center with normal settings and shift to both sides where there is background. Then you can get a 60 mpx images with a 24 mpx camera. 
 

This is how these installations are made : 

https://www.derbelight.com

 

And for stills you can use it too. 
 

so : 

portrait 👩 

stills 🪑 

landscape 🌲 

art 🖼️ 

experiment 🧪 

 

Yes sure, you can rely on LPC for correcting the perspective of whatever but it crops and computes and you don’t get any blurry things on the fly. 
 

But maybe I am wrong and you can show me some images that are made with LPC that shows me its potential. 
 

This is a journey and I am happy to learn more every day. 
 

cheers 🥂 

I understand your interest in using lenses to selectively set the focus plane, generating miniature-type of images, etc. Lightroom's 'Lens Blur' option may work, but doing this on-site is something different. Here is an example of Lightroom's 'Lens Blur' when it was newly released, some years back: 

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[Pelu2010]

24 minutes ago, helged said:

I understand your interest in using lenses to selectively set the focus plane, generating miniature-type of images, etc. Lightroom's 'Lens Blur' option may work, but doing this on-site is something different. Here is an example of Lightroom's 'Lens Blur' when it was newly released, some years back: 

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Can’t get to the image. 

[Pelu2010]

I know that you can generate the look in post. 
but this way you won’t have the experience while you are shooting. 

[helged]

36 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

Can’t get to the image. 

You get to the image by clicking on the arrow in the upper right corner of the linked thread, but I include it here as (SL21 on SL2-S).

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

[lct]

LPC does not modify DoF as i suggested above so for this matter it is not the relevant tool indeed. There are special lenses for that, i have 2 of them in R mount but i'm not sure if Leica is interested in making new ones which would be difficult to sell at Leica prices i suspect. Interesting post by our colleague @dkCambridgeshire here:

 

[Pelu2010]

Hey, 

now SL System is also a video camera. 

Then how am I going to do this in video if I need to. 

And it's not just miniatures. 

And imagine Timelapse's .... 

[lct]

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A lens like the Laowa 15mm f/4.5 Zero-D Shift in L mount could interest you perhaps.

[SrMi]

41 minutes ago, lct said:

A lens like the Laowa 15mm f/4.5 Zero-D Shift in L mount could interest you perhaps.

OP is primarily interested in the tilt effect, and that lens only has a shift. LPC with a good lens delivers probably better results, but LPC does not work wider than 16mm.

[lct]

8 minutes ago, SrMi said:

LPC does not work wider than 16mm

Do you mean with LR? Just curious as it works at 15mm on jpegs for me.

[SrMi]

14 minutes ago, lct said:

Do you mean with LR? Just curious as it works at 15mm on jpegs for me.

In the camera and Adobe software (what software are you using?). When zooming with a 14-28 zoom, the LPC frame disappears in the viewfinder at 15mm, and Adobe's software cannot apply corrections automatically.

[lct]

3 minutes ago, SrMi said:

what software are you using?

None with LPC. Poor man's raw.

[Dr. G]

4 hours ago, SrMi said:

OP is primarily interested in the tilt effect, and that lens only has a shift. LPC with a good lens delivers probably better results, but LPC does not work wider than 16mm.

TTArtisan makes a 50mm f/1.4 tilt lens for L mount.  It doesn't seem to be particularly sharp, though.

[Pelu2010]

2 hours ago, Dr. G said:

TTArtisan makes a 50mm f/1.4 tilt lens for L mount.  It doesn't seem to be particularly sharp, though.

And that is the problem! 
that‘s why I asked if someone would like to have a sharp Leica Tilt-shift lens. 

[lct]

19 hours ago, SrMi said:

When zooming with a 14-28 zoom, the LPC frame disappears in the viewfinder at 15mm [...]

Interesting indeed. I have used LPC on my M11 with a CV 15/4.5 with no issue as clear as i recall. I will try it again but i don't want to derail this thread.

[helged]

Looks like an tilt-shift adapter is on way from Kipon, also in L-mount (apparently for Canon EF lenses mounted on the lens side of the adapter): https://www.kipon-global.com/product-page/ocus-pro-tilt-shift-adapter-for-ff-aps-c-camera

[Pelu2010]

11 hours ago, helged said:

Looks like an tilt-shift adapter is on way from Kipon, also in L-mount (apparently for Canon EF lenses mounted on the lens side of the adapter): https://www.kipon-global.com/product-page/ocus-pro-tilt-shift-adapter-for-ff-aps-c-camera

Hey ,

this is excellent news! 
even better if they start this adapter for medium format and large format lenses too!

i don’t as hoping for someone to notice the potential of this product and now finally someone will produce it. Placed my order today! 
thanxs a lot , that makes me so happy! 
Cheers 🥂 

[helged]

1 hour ago, Pelu2010 said:

Hey ,

this is excellent news! 
even better if they start this adapter for medium format and large format lenses too!

i don’t as hoping for someone to notice the potential of this product and now finally someone will produce it. Placed my order today! 
thanxs a lot , that makes me so happy! 
Cheers 🥂 

Any particularly suited FF lenses for the T&S adapter (with sufficiently large image circle)? Essentially 'all' manual, MF and LF lenses, I would think.

(I could - but haven't - read myself up on the topic...).

Edit: I see that there is a list of FF lenses with comments on the image circle here:

 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uxvvpxJ9QVFFyh0pW2rs9KBmUW9vlh-d-VnbcLDCTn8/edit#gid=0

Edited November 18, 2024 by helged

[Pelu2010]

3 hours ago, helged said:

Any particularly suited FF lenses for the T&S adapter (with sufficiently large image circle)? Essentially 'all' manual, MF and LF lenses, I would think.

(I could - but haven't - read myself up on the topic...).

Edit: I see that there is a list of FF lenses with comments on the image circle here:

 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uxvvpxJ9QVFFyh0pW2rs9KBmUW9vlh-d-VnbcLDCTn8/edit#gid=0

impressive spreadsheet! Thanxs a lot... 

Very helpful ! 

I am happy that I am not the only one thinking about TS-lenses > even if we can do so many things electronically. 

The fun starts when you are hunting. 

Thanxs Peter 

 

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[geoffreyg]

Some time ago, I was able to borrow a Leica 28PC lens (for the R) w/ adapter and put on M9M. Compared a shifted image, with a cropped one from a 21 SEM: up to 11 x17, very hard to tell the difference. A bit less contrast in the PC version, but easilycorrectable and hard to even see. Even with desire for a shift lens, this was convincing in that apart from pixels, there was no major need.