Tilt Shift Lens for L mount

[Pelu2010]

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Hey, 

 

who would love to habe a TS Lens for L-mount. 

I would love to have some stellar Tilt Shift Lenses. 

90mm 

50mm

24mm

16mm 

 

That+s what I would love to see in the future. 

And as Leica has a medium format camera with S Lenses, this should not be that big problem. 

How about you? 

Are you happy without TS lenses? 

I am using Canon instead at the moment. 

But I would change this. 

[Biotar]

... and I'm glad that Canon has these lenses so that I can use them on both systems 😜

[Pelu2010]

20 minutes ago, Biotar said:

... and I'm glad that Canon has these lenses so that I can use them on both systems 😜

Me too, but I wish we could get something this Leicaglas. 

Also the Adapter for the EOS lenses is quite big. 

I tested the R-shift lens (28mm) too. And it's nice, but having this for M and L would be awesome. 

cheers 

[lct]

I don't use my TS lenses any more. I prefer perspective control on M11.

[Pelu2010]

13 minutes ago, lct said:

I don't use my TS lenses any more. I prefer perspective control on M11.

You can't do out of focus tilt and miniatures with perspective control. 

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/attachments/?page=44

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/attachments/?page=46

I can't see how you do this with perspective control. 

And if you can; pls tell me how. I would love to learn this. 

cheers 

[lct]

Funny those "my attachments" links. I had never seen them before. Not sure why you post them here and my English is not good enough to understand the problem of "miniatures" but i have never used my TS lenses for DoF reasons so far, reason why your suggestion doesn't ring my bells but it sure may please to others so don't worry if i disagree with you on this point 😎

[SrMi]

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1 hour ago, Pelu2010 said:

You can't do out of focus tilt and miniatures with perspective control. 

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/attachments/?page=44

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/attachments/?page=46

I can't see how you do this with perspective control. 

And if you can; pls tell me how. I would love to learn this. 

cheers 

LPC is only for shift functionality, which is the most useful one, in my opinion. Use Lensbaby for toy effects.

I also do not see much need for TS lenses when we have LPC.

Edited November 13, 2024 by SrMi

[Pelu2010]

2 hours ago, SrMi said:

LPC is only for shift functionality, which is the most useful one, in my opinion. Use Lensbaby for toy effects.

I also do not see much need for TS lenses when we have LPC.

You cannot do this with PC

 

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[Pelu2010]

2 hours ago, SrMi said:

LPC is only for shift functionality, which is the most useful one, in my opinion. Use Lensbaby for toy effects.

I also do not see much need for TS lenses when we have LPC.

Lens Baby 🥰 

yeah. 
 

So you can do this with lens baby? 

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[Pelu2010]

2 hours ago, SrMi said:

LPC is only for shift functionality, which is the most useful one, in my opinion. Use Lensbaby for toy effects.

I also do not see much need for TS lenses when we have LPC.

Can you show me an example where you use LPC in order to distort something? 
or so that you shoot a portrait and and the focus is diagonal through the axis, so that only the eyes are sharp and fore and background are out of focus. So that the observer can rest on the eyes. 👀 

I would love to learn how this can be achieved by LPC. 
 

And yes 🙌 I am aware that you can do this in post. 
 

But this looks different and it’s much more work. 
 

And the other thing is: such a lens gives you ideas 💡 while you are doing things wrong. 
 

I don’t experience this while a simulation is wobbling on my screen. 
 

I could live with a true simulation, but this was terminated with the Q3. 
 

 

[SrMi]

24 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

You cannot do this with PC

 

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What am I looking at here? Looks like a regular perspective correction (shift).

[jaapv]

40 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

You cannot do this with PC

 

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https://digital-photography-school.com/photoshop-perspective-warp-tool/

[SrMi]

39 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

Can you show me an example where you use LPC in order to distort something? 
or so that you shoot a portrait and and the focus is diagonal through the axis, so that only the eyes are sharp and fore and background are out of focus. So that the observer can rest on the eyes. 👀 

I would love to learn how this can be achieved by LPC. 

Isn't that tilt and not shift operation?

 

40 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

And the other thing is: such a lens gives you ideas 💡 while you are doing things wrong. 

LPC shows you the frame after the correction in the post (automatic with Adobe only).

41 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

I could live with a true simulation, but this was terminated with the Q3. 

I do not follow.

[Pelu2010]

1 hour ago, SrMi said:

Isn't that tilt and not shift operation?

 

LPC shows you the frame after the correction in the post (automatic with Adobe only).

I do not follow.

It’s tilted and shifted both 

[Pelu2010]

1 hour ago, jaapv said:

 

https://digital-photography-school.com/photoshop-perspective-warp-tool/

Like  I said: you may be able to pull this out of a program, but it’s not instant. And it takes more time and you don’t carry the computer to the location > so that you can work with the tilt and shift option. 
you sit in a room and you can’t change any perspective, because for this you need to go to the location again. 
it’s wenn you work with these lenses that you find new things. 

[SrMi]

12 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

It’s tilted and shifted both 

As I wrote, LPC can only replace shift.

[lct]

40 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

Like  I said: you may be able to pull this out of a program, but it’s not instant. And it takes more time and you don’t carry the computer to the location > so that you can work with the tilt and shift option. 
you sit in a room and you can’t change any perspective, because for this you need to go to the location again. 
it’s wenn you work with these lenses that you find new things. 

Suffice it to shoot and you can see the result immediately on the LCD and/or the EVF. I don't try to sell you anything but you don't need to shoot buidings or to crop more or less heavily for that. Couple of snaps on the M11 below with Nokton 35/1.5 asph, Elmarit 90/2.8 v1, Tele-Tessar 85/4 and Tele-Elmar 135/4, all in LPC mode. FWIW.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Diverse/n-QFBj4/Leica-M11-CV-3515-asph/i-RWtF6ZR/0/MvWgKQ9j3xDGf8SgcwRWQZgs8Kg3KnvXTtsk6L6rn/X4/M1107447_sipss-X4.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Diverse/n-QFBj4/Leica-M11-Leica-9028-v1/i-JPfqfN9/0/LqKqL8gdcthVB6mCr2tR4Rp9Vr985h3LSKWHzGBn8/X4/M1109394_sipss-X4.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Diverse/n-QFBj4/Leica-M11-ZM-854/i-98LxrNL/0/K2tpZjJTTj37qVzhZQ8NGBGLVVjGpSJ5xT8fj3zJ7/X4/L1003440_sips-X4.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Diverse/n-QFBj4/Leica-M11-Leica-1354/i-sM4LJrv/0/NM7VPqPnz4tLnGGght6z4TDphPNgbxs43sjPMJWBf/X4/M1004925_sips-X4.jpg

 

 

[Pelu2010]

Can you do this with the Software without knowing the goal? 

I could not replicate this without a tilt shift lens and if it would take a lot of time. 

This is something you can't do with perspective control. 

You would need focus stacking and the imagination that the out of focus areas look like they do. 

I am curious if you can replicate this in photoshop or Lightroom .... 

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[lct]

Interesting photos, they remind me of my old PA-Curtagon 35/4 i was not good at mastering to be honest. LPC is much easier to use but its aim is perspective not DoF control and it does not produce flare admittedly.

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[Pelu2010]

6 hours ago, lct said:

Interesting photos, they remind me of my old PA-Curtagon 35/4 i was not good at mastering to be honest. LPC is much easier to use but its aim is perspective not DoF control and it does not produce flare admittedly.

Hi, 

lenses are tools. 
And you can use them in a “correct” , “normal” way, but they can also be used differently. 

Tilt-shift lenses exist because there was a need for correction. 
But they are not only used this way. 
I know that the LPC control is established so that you can correct perspective. 
But what if you want to put the sharp part of the lens in a line diagonal through your picture. Let’s say for the eyes of a person that move a bit. 
Then you can’t do this with a normal lens. 
And yes you can do this with lensbaby, but what if you want to have some perfection in parts of the images and less in other parts: 

To me photography is not perfection. I am seeking with the best tools for imperfections in the 3 dimensional environment that is surrounding me. 
 

It may be that I am alone. Then I have to take this for the team. 

We are explorers and with AI getting much better every day, there will be no cameras for the people that can describe the images they like to generate. And this is ok. 
But I like to paint with light. 
And if no one sees the point of checking TS lenses, then I am fine with this. 
Then I switch to a system for this purpose that gives me the best tilt shift experience. 
 

But I was looking for people that are sailors of the light rays that want to see things a new way, different way, strange way, old way. 
 

So there maybe no incentive and market for these lenses. But I know there are pictures to take, that you cannot make with a “normal” lens. 

I also use these lenses for panoramic shots. You can make stunning images out of the box with this lenses, that compute much better when stitched. 
 

And you can use this to make higher mpx images of portraits if you need the higher resolution. You take the center with normal settings and shift to both sides where there is background. Then you can get a 60 mpx images with a 24 mpx camera. 
 

This is how these installations are made : 

https://www.derbelight.com

 

And for stills you can use it too. 
 

so : 

portrait 👩 

stills 🪑 

landscape 🌲 

art 🖼️ 

experiment 🧪 

 

Yes sure, you can rely on LPC for correcting the perspective of whatever but it crops and computes and you don’t get any blurry things on the fly. 
 

But maybe I am wrong and you can show me some images that are made with LPC that shows me its potential. 
 

This is a journey and I am happy to learn more every day. 
 

cheers 🥂