Getting the colour right on the M11 {split-off thread}

[Smogg]

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9 minutes ago, lct said:

Sorry but again, you're generalizing your findings with LR to the entire world. Not everybody uses LR, or other Adobe software, as you know. To be a fact, as you're trying to demonstrate, the so-called magenta cast should be obvious non only on LR but on other software as well.

The vast majority of users use Lightroom (about 60 percent). Of the remaining users, the majority use Photoshop (ACR).

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[Jun Emaes]

Hello, I'm about to update, but I have a question.

I use RAW+JPG for shooting photos and often use the 1.3x and 1.8x digital crop modes occasionally in situations. After the update, will I still be able to adjust the 1.3x or 1.8x RAW files taken in digital crop mode to a 100% scale in Lightroom by clicking the crop button? I know JPGs are fixed to the digital crop size, but RAWs could be adjusted to a 100% scale image in crop mode on ver 2.0.2. This is what I'm most curious about on 2.1.1.

[lct]

15 minutes ago, Smogg said:

The vast majority of users use Lightroom (about 60 percent). Of the remaining users, the majority use Photoshop (ACR).

Let's call this an Adobe cast then but generalizing it to other software is what i'm criticising mainly.

[don daniel]

vor 58 Minuten schrieb colint544:

Given that everyone's monitors and eyes are calibrated differently, and that any image posted on this forum needs to be a brutally compressed jpeg, there's probably not a meaningful comparison here.

But this is what I see. A picture taken yesterday - ISO 80, 1/1000th F4, 28mm Summicron mk1. Colours straight from the camera in the first picture, and adjusted to my taste in the second. I perceive that as a slight magenta cast. I don't find it unpleasant, and it's easy to correct.

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Both of these hurt my eyes! The first one is horrible, but the second one is still magenta heavy. And normally I don't look at the values in Lightroom. I can see the tint already on the rear display of the M11. Problem is: This does not occur in artificial light. A special profile would overcorrect in some situations. And it makes the JPGs unusable for me.

[Smogg]

3 minutes ago, don daniel said:

Both of these hurt my eyes! The first one is horrible, but the second one is still magenta heavy. And normally I don't look at the values in Lightroom. I can see the tint already on the rear display of the M11. Problem is: This does not occur in artificial light. A special profile would overcorrect in some situations. And it makes the JPGs unusable for me.

I completely agree. Even in the second picture, a spurious magenta tint is visible on the frame at the bottom of the window

[ianforber]

On 5/28/2024 at 8:05 AM, Wandering Photographer said:

I noticed this also. If you are supposed to remove the memory card before restart and reformat it in your computer, how do you do this if the camera automatically restarts after the update?

At the risk of wrenching the conversation away from magenta tint and back to the update process itself, despite doing everything wrong it still worked perfectly for me. I used Fotos but forgot to format the SD card first and, as a result still had some images on the SD card. I also used a battery with less than 100% charge (75%). The firmware download to my phone v quickly and transferred to the camera equally quickly. After about a minute, the update was complete and I had the instruction to turn the camera off. I waited about 20 seconds to make sure the camera wasn’t about to do anything else, switched it off and waited another 10 seconds before switching it back on. I then waited another 10 seconds before pressing the menu button to check that my profiles had survived the process. I took a couple of shots using different profiles and all worked as expected. 

That’s all I’ve done so far so can’t comment on the firmware itself. For what it’s worth, I use Capture One and often see a mild magenta tint but it’s nowhere near as strong as some examples posted here and I like the colours even though I don’t take pictures of old people!

[don daniel]

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First one with AWB. LR shows tint at +22. WB with a fixed setting would have brought the same result. Second one after my correction: pulled temperature a little warmer and tint to +12. More magenta than this my eyes cannot take. 😃

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[hjddd]

3 minutes ago, don daniel said:

第一张使用 AWB。LR 显示色调为 +22 。固定设置的 WB 会带来相同的结果。第二张经过我的修正后：将温度调高一点，色调为 +12。比这更多的洋红色我的眼睛无法接受 。😃

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the same situation…AWB always put tint at +22 and even more …… so weird 

[don daniel]

vor 13 Minuten schrieb hjddd:

the same situation…AWB always put tint at +22 and even more …… so weird 

Well, that's not always true. This was also taken with AWB. Temperature: 3350, tint: 0. The less daylight there is, the better the white balance of the M11. Now, that's strange!

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[Smogg]

8 minutes ago, don daniel said:

First one with AWB. LR shows tint at +22. WB with a fixed setting would have brought the same result. Second one after my correction: pulled temperature a little warmer and tint to +12. More magenta than this my eyes cannot take. 😃

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The first picture immediately recognizes the classic color palette of the M11 in daylight. Actually, regular similar color results and freezes led me to purchase the X2D, although I was not chasing either the medium format or 100Mp. I was only interested in the color. Then the second main factor was ergonomics, and the decisive role was played by the fact that Hasselblad released new compact and lightweight V series lenses with a sliding ring. However, I am not selling my M11s because the rangefinder cannot be replaced with anything. But I started using M11s much less often.

[Smogg]

Maybe the problem is again in the infrared spectrum in bright sun, as was the case with the M8? Could it be that some M11 cameras were released with protective glass from another manufacturer that blocks infrared color worse? And as a result: different reviews from owners

[lct]

Depends on raw converters. For a comparo between Photoshop Elements and Silkypix see:

 

[elmars]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb Smogg:

Maybe the problem is again in the infrared spectrum in bright sun, as was the case with the M8?

No, I don‘t think so. Magenta is different to infrared. The magenta can easily be removed with the tint slider in LR. This was not possible with the M8.  

[jonoslack]

I thought this morning's dreek grey light would be a good time to check the M11. 

here are some side by side in Lightroom - in each case:

The first shot (copy 1) is using the dropper in Lightroom on the grey clouds

the second shot  is with daylight (sunny)

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The third is with AWB (tint between 20 and 24)

The right hand is with daylight (cloudy)

in the first set Copy1 (left hand) temp is 5600 and tint is +12

AWB (3rd from left) temp 5200 tint +21

in the second set Copy1 (left hand) temp is 6250 and tint is +5

AWB (3rd from left) temp 5050 tint +24

in the third set

Copy1 (left hand) the temp is 5750 and the tint is +7

AWB (3rd from left) temp 5200 tint +21

In the last set

Copy1 (left hand) the temp is 6050 and the tint is +5

AWB (3rd from left) temp 5100 tint +22

 

Discuss 😂

 

 

[elmars]

Copy 1 is the most neutral and because of that I would say it is the best starting point. That does not mean, that this is the most pleasing photo, the three others have more character.

As I said before: Leica should offer a choice between more Magenta ("Leica Look") and neutral.

[SrMi]

Looking through my recent M11 files, I admit that I also have a magenta touch in some photos. I did not notice it because I almost never leave the WB at the value computed by the camera (regardless of the manufacturer) but almost always tune it to my liking. That is one of the reasons why I shoot DNG: the WB setting is not embedded in the raw data.

[M11 for me]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb jonoslack:

I thought this morning's dreek grey light would be a good time to check the M11. 

here are some side by side in Lightroom - in each case:

The first shot (copy 1) is using the dropper in Lightroom on the grey clouds

the second shot  is with daylight (sunny)

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The third is with AWB (tint between 20 and 24)

The right hand is with daylight (cloudy)

in the first set Copy1 (left hand) temp is 5600 and tint is +12

AWB (3rd from left) temp 5200 tint +21

in the second set Copy1 (left hand) temp is 6250 and tint is +5

AWB (3rd from left) temp 5050 tint +24

in the third set

Copy1 (left hand) the temp is 5750 and the tint is +7

AWB (3rd from left) temp 5200 tint +21

In the last set

Copy1 (left hand) the temp is 6050 and the tint is +5

AWB (3rd from left) temp 5100 tint +22

 

Discuss 😂

 

 

I can just say: You live in a beautiful area. Its like vitamins for the soul . . . 

Re your images. Its definitely very difficult to say which one is the "best". Its probably just a different starting point in Lightroom Classic.

[marchyman]

10 hours ago, lct said:

Please prove it. Sincerely interested.

It's not proof, but every time I've happened to shoot a white balance card (not often) clicking on the image of the card in post with the white balance tool reduces the magenta.

In most images I do not notice a color cast.  In some, however, the magenta was pretty strong.  It's easy enough to adjust if I feel the need.

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[lct]

1 hour ago, marchyman said:

It's not proof, but every time I've happened to shoot a white balance card (not often) clicking on the image of the card in post with the white balance tool reduces the magenta.

In most images I do not notice a color cast.  In some, however, the magenta was pretty strong.  It's easy enough to adjust if I feel the need.

What raw converter are you using if i may ask?

[trickness]

On 5/23/2024 at 1:40 PM, mekener said:

I had no problems before the last update but saw a blown out photo twice right after the last update so I decided to go ahead with this latest update. I updated via the phone app. The prompt on my phone said 'update failed, try again' but the camera restarted itself and when I checked from the menu the update was done. I restarted the phone app and it did not show any available updates either. I don't know if it was a close call or something went wrong with the phone app but everything seems to be working fine. Scary stuff...

 

 

They're just released a Fotos App firmware update that they say fixes this erroneous "update failed" message