Getting the colour right on the M11 {split-off thread}

[jgeenen]

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To add: I am not a Capture One expert, but I played with it a little bit: There is a tool (Tonwerte = tonal value, I assume) that allows the same manipulation in a very convenient way. Go to the red tab, shift the middle line a bit to the right (-0.4 or so) and do the same in the blue tab. The result will have a similar tone as the SL3 picture and just needs a little push in the color temperature (after the tone adjustment, the M11 picture is just to cold). Just tried one sample only, don't know if the recipe is consistent across a larger sample.

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[graphlex]

Happy with the colors on my M10 without use of eyedropper, gray card or obligatory color balance adjustments.

[Kiwimac]

I came across this video. In it, there is a description of how to use a ‘hidden’ function in PS to remove colour cast. 
 

I rarely delve into PS, doing 95% of my editing in LRC. I find PS too complex. However when I saw this, I thought of this discussion and figured I’d pop the video here in case it was of help to anyone. 
 

I’ve not yet tried it, but the method looks quick and easy. 
 

 

Edited August 26, 2024 by Kiwimac

[Jeff S]

4 hours ago, Kiwimac said:

I came across this video. In it, there is a description of how to use a ‘hidden’ function in PS to remove colour cast. 
 

I rarely delve into PS, doing 95% of my editing in LRC. I find PS too complex. However when I saw this, I thought of this discussion and figured I’d pop the video here in case it was of help to anyone. 
 

I’ve not yet tried it, but the method looks quick and easy. 
 

 

Photoshop actions begin at 16 min.

Jeff

[jaapv]

Only... This is a sunset and there is always Magenta in the light. Neutralizing it takes away the feel of the image.

[Jeff S]

15 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Only... This is a sunset and there is always Magenta in the light. Neutralizing it takes away the feel of the image.

He addressed that by painting some of the magenta back into the sky using a layer mask.  His point was to show possibility of both global and local actions, using either LR or PS, or both.

Jeff

 

[setuporg]

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In order to get the Leica colors right on an M11 or M11-P:

1. Leave it at home.
2. Take the M10-R with you.

[Kiwimac]

7 hours ago, jaapv said:

Only... This is a sunset and there is always Magenta in the light. Neutralizing it takes away the feel of the image.

Possibly but the point I was trying to get across is that it might assist those trying to remove the aforementioned unwanted magenta cast.

[lct]

I rarely need to tweak colors with the M11, less so than with the M240 i'm still using although it is not a big deal on the latter. Common point between them is WB that must be set carefully. Also reds that tend to clip on the M240 and are slightly oversatured on the M11. I see no magenta cast on either body but i don't use Adobe converters. FWIW. 

[jaapv]

On 8/27/2024 at 11:17 AM, Kiwimac said:

Possibly but the point I was trying to get across is that it might assist those trying to remove the aforementioned unwanted magenta cast.

It is certainly a viable method but unnecessarily complicated. Shoot a white balance card (or grey card) at the beginning of your shoot or if the light colour changes significantly and you have a one-click correction at the computer. 

[costa43]

On 6/17/2024 at 12:02 AM, sebas_ said:

I have got my Leica M11-P back from Wetzlar. In regards to WB I am very pleased. The strong magenta cast is gone from the Daylite WB ( as well as Auto WB in Daylite), but it does not change the overall M11 look. My guess is that there are some M11's out there, which deviate from the intended value. Which would also explain, why only some are complaining about the issue. 

Sadly I got still "File unreadable" and a new bug, which I haven't had before. I was testing a Summilux 50 and was changing the capture from f8 to f1.4. Camera on Auto ISO and Auto Shutter speed. Camera does not adjust the shutter speed, stuck with the f8 reading and all images with f1.4 are overexposed. Have adjusted the aperture several times back and forth, no change on the shutter speed -  happened twice within ca. 20 minutes, no clue what it caused. Seems Leica has made a deal with the wrong demon, when materialising the M11. 

Below is Auto WB with a SEM 21. Quite happy how the WB is handling now. 

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Hi there, is this the dng file untouched in LR? If so, I think the colours look 👌

[sebas_]

Am 30.8.2024 um 20:56 schrieb costa43:

Hi there, is this the dng file untouched in LR? If so, I think the colours look 👌

Yes, dng file is as it was imported with no adjustment made. Since the camera came back from Leica with its updated WB reference I am very pleased with the colours and WB it produces. 

[lct]

Colors are a subjective matter. The above pic some of you found perfect looks reddish to me. Assuming the sidewalk in the bottom right is grey, a mere click on it with the eye dropper of Appple Preview gives the result below. I chose Apple preview to show what can be done the simplest way but one could to better with Photoshop or same.
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32 minutes ago, lct said:

Colors are a subjective matter. The above pic some of you found perfect looks reddish to me. Assuming the sidewalk in the bottom right is grey, a mere click on it with the eye dropper of Appple Preview gives the result below. I chose Apple preview to show what can be done the simplest way but one could to better with Photoshop or same.
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Indeed, and just pressing the 'Auto Colour' button in Photoshop renders it far better, I don't know why people don't just check the image against what the computer thinks just to be sure because the software is nearly always right.

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[don daniel]

Am 2.9.2024 um 12:42 schrieb lct:

Colors are a subjective matter. The above pic some of you found perfect looks reddish to me. Assuming the sidewalk in the bottom right is grey, a mere click on it with the eye dropper of Appple Preview gives the result below. I chose Apple preview to show what can be done the simplest way but one could to better with Photoshop or same.
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I've been waiting for someone to notice and say something. Apparently, the customer service returned the camera without doing anything to it. Once a magenta cast, always a magenta cast. You have to fix it yourself, as demonstrated here. And this is a very simple situation. Bright sunshine and a neutral gray surface are also present. Why does the M11 struggle with this so much?

[lct]

I don't see any magenta cast here. Just a bit of red oversaturation that i find pleasing in most cases and is easy to adjust in PP anyway so i hope Leica won't change anything to it. The rest is a mere matter of WB and learning curve to set it right.

[Nitnaros]

Another vote for magenta cast - particularly skin tones on my Leica M‘s have never been satisfying 

M11 and incandescent / indoor lighting produces horrible skin tones; whether you choose a preset color temperature / WB, or you manually white balance with an expo disc or similar

comparison to Fuji GFX output - no comparison.

Fuji has particularly skin tones figured out. Leica has resolution down, but color palette … nope, in my experience over multiple M‘s (from M8 on)

[swatch]

Each colour camera has its own colour, like film stock ie Portra vs Ektar

Choose whatever that is pleasing to your eyes.

Come across a picture from M11D on FB per below link:

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/aCbUnhCNnL8CKZ2a/?mibextid=WC7FNe

Saturation is personal preference but after seeing a little of magenta spectrum from a purely blue shirt is another thing.  I would call it is a colour pollution.

Colour from M9 is not neutral, red colour is over saturated but it has no colour pollution.

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[jaapv]

These comments suggest that the M11 suffers from IR contamination. Has anybody tried to use a B+W 486 or other IR block filter on it? - Especially for skin tones under artificial light.

[lct]

Leica UV/IR filters made for the M8 look too strong on the M11. They reduce magenta and increase cyan, giving images a colder rendition. Not my cup of tea but it does no harm to try. BTW i have no skintone issues with my M11 but i don't use Adobe raw converters.